Jonas Long

My sense is that "God" is an angry little troll with no experience with women. This is funny to read all, but I think it may be fruitless to engage with them.

"You can't fire me, I quit!" LOL

I stand corrected, this is exactly how a "God realized" person expresses themselves. Carry on, it is I who have much to learn.

You're reiterating very well known toxic talking points. I don't have the time or energy to put into the re-education you require. So, think what you like about me, about leo, there's deeper shit going on here, and I'm not the one to fix that.

Oye. Goodbye little boy. Just as I suspected, you are not worth my time. You have much to learn, and with any luck you will. But it won't be from me. I've better things to do.

This is why its a cult of personality, here you are grasping at straws to defend not a teaching, but a person. A person who is OBVIOUSLY deeply flawed. To anyone not in his cult of personality.

He uses doublespeak and contradicts himself constantly. "Women love not taking responsibility for sex" "most women are bad at sex" "do you want to be touched in a smooth way or a creepy way, either way you'll say its predatory(him to a woman objecting to pickup" boy, if you don't see a problem here, you're the problem.

I'll let someone else explain that to you....go back and read this full thread, and if you still have to ask that question, you're not worth my time.

Don't put words in my mouth. What do I dislike about his personality? He is gross, misogynist, anti social, pretentious, pompous, condescending, irresponsible, narcissistic... need I go on?

As far as I can tell, and I do not claim enlightenment, there is nothing about "awakening" that keeps you from strongly disliking certain personalities.

That's just my natural musk;);)

I smell a cult member;)

Oh I know you were, I was reacting more to Psychonautica and Baller... thank you for helping me out there, sometimes I'm not very detail oriented😅

That is so nice to hear, thank you for taking the time to say it💜

Ok fuck the legality of it...I brought that up to try and underline my point, and I don't think I was completely wrong, but I should know anytime you do that you will be picked apart with semantics and extenuating circumstances and whatever... it's morally reprehensible, are we all OK with that?

My newer video "on substance abuse" pertains to my feelings on this as well, though it doesn't mention leo by name.

Yeah...that is a joke. I made a joke.

There are indeed examples of puas who have gone to jail for doing the type of thing leo advocates, just because he lives in a state with loose laws on consent doesn't mean people in other states following his advice aren't subject to legal ramifications. Looking at the link Joseph Maynor shared, it does show that stuff leo advocates can very well violate consent laws. And many of his followers don't strike me as bright enough to know where to draw that line, neither does he obviously, maybe that's why he chooses to live in Nevada. I still don't see my criticism as going too far.

Mmmkay...I was wrong on the particulars of the legal system...the other quote did include "I think" so it was my own opinion.... I didn't say he was Satan, I'd never give him that much credit....I absolutely stand by the statement that he is a predator. And the having sex with a vomiting stranger seems as though it could very well fall into the category of illegal since someone that wasted could easily be past the point of informed consent.

Words have power, whether we fully realize it or not.

I just went back in this thread and saw this, I'm actually really touched by it, and I'm flattered to have been brought into this discussion at all. I strive to be as clear as possible in what I say publicly, I take full responsibility for all my words, if I ever realize an error I will cop to it immediately, I'm very new to doing this, and I hope to keep growing. So, thank you, I'm humbled truly to have reached anyone, I intend to remain humble and curious along with y'all. Cheers.

No, I'm not anti these things, there is a huuuuge difference between what leo and the puas do and responsible, normal nightlife interactions. The puas are predators because they go out with the very specific intent to hookup with any girl at any cost, they even refer to women as "targets" this is vastly different from someone who goes out because they enjoy it and if they should happen to get on with someone and hookup, great, but it's not their sole motive. A lot of these pickup guys, leo especially, are socially clueless and going out to prey on the intoxicated ONLY because they are easy targets, they don't enjoy or even understand the social enjoyment of simply going out, drinking, dancing, whatever....I mean just look at leo trying to "dance", it just doesn't even compute with him, and he is completely out of synch socially with his surroundings. And yes, of course a person who has had a bit to drink can consent, but you need a level of discretion that leo clearly doesn't have, or even care to have.

The main point is its obviously shady. We can all see this right? Not only that, you are degrading yourself because you are basically saying "in order for me to get sex I must put myself in a place where people specifically go to release their inhibitions in the most extreme way" in other words, you aren't worthy of attracting someone who had their full judgement and faculties about them. And yes, we're talking about someone who is supposedly "God realized". It seems fairly absurd to me.

That seems totally reasonable. I think there is much more room for that when you know the person and have an existing relationship, when you just "pick up" a stranger, it's much harder to tell, like I say, some people can function perfectly fine in a total alcoholic blackout, you just can't necessarily tell, so unless youve been present with then the entire time they have been drinking and know how much they drank, you really can't tell. It's shady no matter what....people have addictions and engage compulsively in behavior they don't really want to, only to regret it later, and yes, that is on them in a way, but you don't need to participate in someone's bad decisions. The whole thing is just gross to me. I've been involved in poly and non monogamous relationships, and generally people who I've known who do are very ethical, and very much look down on pua in this way. Imo you really need to be MORE ethical if you are trying to have casual sex with multiple partners.

If someone is vomiting while you are having sex with them, I think it qualifies as date rape, regardless of whether you drugged/got them wasted or not. It's like taking advantage of someone with a disability. When you're that wasted, you are "dis-abled" ....so yeah, I don't see my criticism of him as "going too far" whatsoever.