What is the Law of Karma?

[Isagi Yoichi]

https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/law_of_attraction

 

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The law of attraction should be considered an advanced law because it is very powerful and it can be easily misused in ways that will have undesirable consequences for the user. These undesirable consequences are predicted by the law of karma.

 

The Law of Karma.

The law of karma states that actions have consequences and that good actions have good consequences and bad actions have bad consequences.

 

The law of attraction should only be used by people who understand the law of karma and who carefully consider the karmic consequences of their actions.   ⬅⬅ Is this accurate??

 

@Phil Why the law of karma is not in the immatubale laws ?

 

 

[Isagi Yoichi]

Can  the Law of Attraction be used and how to use it If True? 

Edited May 29 by Isagi Yoichi

[Phil]

@Isagi Yoichi

Great inquiry and thanks for the reference. 

 

If there are insights to be garnered, garner em, but the difference is that interpretation is based on good & bad and people, which is to say it isn’t based on reality. 

[Phil]

On 5/29/2024 at 6:28 PM, Isagi Yoichi said:

can  the law of attraction be used and how to use it if true? 

In a literal sense loa can’t be used, but is in fact already the case. 

[Phil]

14 minutes ago, Isagi Yoichi said:

Why the law of karma is not in the immatubale laws ?

The simplicity and self-evident nature of karma. 

[Mandy]

There's no exclusion

 

Law of Attraction - no exclusion

 

Karma- no exclusion

 

As Above So Below- no exclusion

 

The idea that I can make myself richer and happier by stealing from or diminishing another in any way is a belief in exclusion, because there is no exclusion, all love "lost" will come back at ya like a boomerang. 

[Isagi Yoichi]

5 minutes ago, Phil said:

In a literal sense loa can’t used, but is in fact already the case. 

Yeah I knew you were going to say that 

 

This website which I found from your link about meditations talks about the Afterlife and The Principles Of Spiritualism (Be Prepared for the Afterlife) Which is basically what every Religion talks about so with this forum focused solely on Nonduality There is no insights about the after life and those stuff , it makes sense if God is the only existence and we are in the mind of god so why does all these stuff matter like they make it seem like we are a separate self

Edited May 29 by Isagi Yoichi

[Phil]

@Isagi Yoichi

To deepen the intimacy of the directness of nonduality. 

[Isagi Yoichi]

6 minutes ago, Mandy said:

The idea that I can make myself richer and happier by stealing from or diminishing another in any way is a belief in exclusion, because there is no exclusion, all love "lost" will come back at ya like a boomerang. 

 

Wdym all love "lost"?

Edited May 29 by Isagi Yoichi

[Mandy]

@Isagi Yoichi Love can't be lost or diminished, so when we take from or diminish another, there's course correction so to speak, as there is no other. You directly feel the guidance, if you do not listen it will only get louder. 

[Isagi Yoichi]

Just now, Mandy said:

@Isagi Yoichi Love can't be lost or diminished, so when we take from or diminish another, there's course correction so to speak, as there is no other. You directly feel the guidance, if you do not listen it will only get louder. 

 

Thanks I get it now

[Reena]

The law of karma is about bad and good outcomes depending on the deeds. It consists of the cause and effect. Every action has a consequence. Then reincarnation. In Hinduism, karma is linked to the cycle of rebirth. Positive karma improves your future lives while negative karma creates challenges. And intention matters. The law of karma considers the intent behind the action along with the action itself. 

 

[Phil]

11 hours ago, Reena said:

The law of karma is about bad and good outcomes depending on the deeds. It consists of the cause and effect. Every action has a consequence. Then reincarnation. In Hinduism, karma is linked to the cycle of rebirth. Positive karma improves your future lives while negative karma creates challenges. And intention matters. The law of karma considers the intent behind the action along with the action itself. 

What about in reality, as in the present, which is without past, future or a knower which knows there is bad & good, positive & negative, causation, consequence, reincarnation, birth etc?

 

In accordance with reality and not beliefs, what then is karma?

[Reena]

14 minutes ago, Phil said:

What about in reality, as in the present, which is without past, future or a knower which knows there is bad & good, positive & negative, causation, consequence, reincarnation, birth etc?

We don't believe in that. We think everything has a past and a future and there is positive and negative. 

[Phil]

25 minutes ago, Reena said:

We don't believe in that. We think everything has a past and a future and there is positive and negative. 

One appears as two. One never actually becomes any thing, such as a we.

 

There truly aren’t words for how sweet, wonderful & magical so called life actually is… without objectifying yourself via believing thoughts, and projecting the suffering via more discordant beliefs.  Endless justifications & rationalizations come to rest meditatively, un-obscuring clarity and actual sanity. 

 

40 minutes ago, Phil said:

What about in reality, as in the present, which is without past, future or a knower which knows there is bad & good, positive & negative, causation, consequence, reincarnation, birth etc?

 

In accordance with reality and not beliefs, what then is karma?

In accordance with reality, direct experience, “we this, we that” is a belief. 

 

Awareness is not informed of its own true nature and infinitude by beliefs. Awareness is seemingly veiled of it’s own true nature & infinitude by beliefs. 

 

So to speak… introspectively ‘look at’ ‘your’ beliefs. Then look at your life / this unfolding. Perfect match: believed limitation… and experiential limitation. 

 

Introspectively, in accordance with direct experience and the non-human, non-worldly guidance of emotion, dispel beliefs. Liberation. The allowing & receiving of what’s wanted.

 

“But I can’t this and that!” 

Ok, instant karma though. 

 

“But you’re lucky because…”

Ok, instant karma thought. 

 

“But I’m not the creator of my reality, I’m a person, a human being!!”

Ok, instant karma thought. 

 

So say you and so shall it be. 

[Phil]

@Isagi Yoichi

Karma could be said to be of actions & behaviors, sure. 

 

But well ‘before’, is how an apparent thought feels. Alignment there is prior to experiential / conceptual karma (actions & behaviors). 

 

One would have to be a glutton for suffering to ignore this. 

[Isagi Yoichi]

24 minutes ago, Phil said:

But well ‘before’, is how an apparent thought feels. Alignment there is prior to experiential and thus conceptual karma (actions & behaviors). 

 

When making a decision and I have to choose something, so two thoughts so to speak feel good the first one I felt good about and made up my mind about the decision then comes another thought for a better decision that feels good too but both tend to switch places lol 

[Phil]

10 minutes ago, Isagi Yoichi said:

 

When making a decision and I have to choose something, so two thoughts so to speak feel good the first one I felt good about and made up my mind about the decision then comes another thought for a better decision that feels good too but both tend to switch places lol 

The thought(s) that there is a decider, a chooser, and separate things decided upon or chosen appear(s).

Per direct experience, there is an experience of thoughts, and not of a decider or chooser. 

The (third, if you will) thought arises about the prior thoughts being in, or constituting that there are “places”, and that thoughts switch places, while ‘places’ is a thought. 

 

What actions & behaviors, albeit apparent, unfold from confusion?

 

From clarity?

 

From misidentification?

 

 

As Self?

[Isagi Yoichi]

12 minutes ago, Phil said:

What actions & behaviors, albeit apparent, unfold from confusion?

 

Contemplation

 

 

30 minutes ago, Phil said:

From clarity?

 

From misidentification?

 

 

As Self?

Not Apparent 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

Karma is an illusion according to Advaita Vedanta.  The Self doesn't have any Karma.  

Edited June 2 by Joseph Maynor