Someone here Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 I mean look at it really ..wide your gaze and look around you ..this stuff that you perceive is obviously being experienced by you ..its happening within awareness..within your awareness. Close your eyes ..everything disappeared. Open them again ..they reapear .etc Go to sleep..the whole universe goes poof and collapse as if it never even existed for at least 8 hours (but from your POV it was a blink of an eye .) I mean how the hell am I wrong here ? You guys dream every single night ..you experience a fantastic array of various colorful dreams similar if not identical to the waking state ...yet once you wake up everything in the dream is revealed to be a creation of your own mind/awareness/subconscious mind etc or however the fuck you wanna think about it . Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enlightened Cat Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Nothing exists outside of my awareness Quote Mention Describe a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivankiss Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 You really just said my awareness? Do you not know where you are? Why you shooting yourself in the foot boy? 😅 Quote Mention Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 "My awareness"? Nah bro. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, ivankiss said: You really just said my awareness? Do you not know where you are? Why you shooting yourself in the foot boy? 😅 Name calling is prohibited in the guidelines. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 (edited) You're getting at the key question in spirituality which is what is the mine and what is not mine. And then what is the nature of that which is mine and what is the nature of that which is not mine. Secondly I would say it's odd that no one knows a definitive answer to these questions, or do you/they? How do we know for sure? One of the reasons I like Advaita Vedanta is because it tackles these questions in a very provocative way that I've never seen done before; namely, any attributes applied to the Self are false because the Self has no attributes. Attributes are anything that one can put a name to, i.e., the body is an attribute. Anything that is attributed to the Self is an attribute. So that weeds out more than most people would like. E.g., the Self doesn't attach to anything including happiness, knowledge, action, what has been attained, what has yet to be attained. And the Self is formless too, you can figure that one out. The Self is beyond thought. Other attributes are like pleasure and pain. This one is going to scare a lot of you on here -- the Self is beyond feeling. The Self is not a feeler because feeling is an attribute. It puts the Self in a subject-object relation with feeling. That's why these crocodile images are so powerful: (when I saw these images, I was like these are deep -- the Self is beyond ego and can't be hurt) Egos make sure they win, there's just different games they do this in (different games they play in). Egos are crocodiles for sure. Crocodiles are egos. Edited May 22 by Joseph Maynor Quote Mention 💬 🗯️🤍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivankiss Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 26 minutes ago, Phil said: Name calling is prohibited in the guidelines. It was obviously a joke. But if anyone is offended, I'm sorry, won't happen again. Quote Mention Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 @ivankiss Name calling is prohibited to the guidelines boy. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivankiss Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 @Phil 😅 copy that! Quote Mention Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 @ivankiss The offness of the reply speak volumes, no? 😅 Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivankiss Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 19 minutes ago, Phil said: The offness of the reply speak volumes, no? 😅 Yes, it's not easy to pull off dissonance tastefully. Quote Mention Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 @ivankiss It was the arrogance and underlying inferiority, insecurity & fear that was hard to pull off. I couldn’t pull off the doubling down though. Idk how you do it. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivankiss Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 30 minutes ago, Phil said: It was the arrogance and underlying inferiority, insecurity & fear that was hard to pull off. Even more so, the trauma. Which no one took part in at no point in time. 33 minutes ago, Phil said: Idk how you do it. Infinite creativity. Improv. Quote Mention Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 4 minutes ago, ivankiss said: Even more so, the trauma. Which no one took part in at no point in time. Sounds like spiritual bypassing. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone here Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 13 hours ago, Orb said: "My awareness"? Nah bro. But why ? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone here Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 (edited) 12 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said: Secondly I would say it's odd that no one knows a definitive answer to these questions, or do you/they? How do we know for sure? What about OP? There is your definitive answer. What exists right here right now by whoever it is that is conscious in this world right this very moment is all that exists. Its self evident. The objective external world that science talks about is quite literally impossible if they knew what they are studying which is their own awareness instead of an objective world. Edited May 23 by Someone here Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone here Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 @Phil Any guidance please? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Nothing can be known to exist outside of knowing awareness, because everything is known, except not-knowing. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone here Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 1 minute ago, Jane said: Nothing can be known to exist outside of knowing awareness, because everything is known, except not-knowing. I agree with the first statement. But I don't understand the second one . Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 17 hours ago, Someone here said: I mean look at it really ..wide your gaze and look around you ..this stuff that you perceive is obviously being experienced by you ..its happening within awareness..within your awareness. Close your eyes ..everything disappeared. Open them again ..they reapear .etc Go to sleep..the whole universe goes poof and collapse as if it never even existed for at least 8 hours (but from your POV it was a blink of an eye .) I mean how the hell am I wrong here ? You guys dream every single night ..you experience a fantastic array of various colorful dreams similar if not identical to the waking state ...yet once you wake up everything in the dream is revealed to be a creation of your own mind/awareness/subconscious mind etc or however the fuck you wanna think about it . 19 minutes ago, Someone here said: @Phil Any guidance please? Critique of the post wise, it’s solipsistic, conjecture, revolves around the separate self of thoughts & what it knows / knowing. Self Inquiry isn’t about being ‘the learner’ or ‘achiever’ or ‘knower’ etc, Self Inquiry is what is the feeling of being me. Advice wise, immediately discontinue usage of spiritual content of the teacher-student, higher lower subject-object, obtaining, becoming enlightened, levels, “I have what you need”, etc framings so you, awareness, are no longer undermining / obscuring yourself with beliefs. If it resonates, and or if it is convoluted yet suspected that it never resonated in the first place. Adopt the practice & employ the methods. Begin to rely on the inner, real, not of this world guidance in terms of aligning thought with feeling. What can’t be outsourced or delegated, can’t be outsourced or delegated. What is is, what is. No more denial. In that manor, stop pretending to the contrary & enjoy what naturally unfolds in your life as it were. The contrary is continuing on with what ‘isn’t working’, isn’t it so? 5 years you said, yeah? Notice momentum, appreciate momentum, change the orientation. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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