James123 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Jane said: 👍Yes! very good. The pointer and the point is the POINTING that cannot be pointed to. The seer and the seen is the SEEING that cannot be seen. The knower and the known is the KNOWING that cannot be known. Definitely!!! Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Jane said: 👍Yes! very good. The pointer and the point is the POINTING that cannot be pointed to. The seer and the seen is the SEEING that cannot be seen. The knower and the known is the KNOWING that cannot be known. Moreover, what is seeing, knowing or pointing? These all stuff is knowledge/thought. Which is an illusion in the first place. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joseph Maynor Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 (edited) The Self knows itself through a non-pointing direct knowing. We might call that realization. The Self realizes itself. I want to say realizes itself from within, but that's a pointer too. The Self can know itself directly. You don't need a subject-object duality to know the Self. The Self doesn't need a thought to know the Self. It's the "I Am" that is not a thought. This is just a pointer obviously: It's the mirror realizing -- I ain't anything in the mirror, nor do I need anything in the mirror to realize that I am the mirror. The mirror is a part of everything reflected in the mirror but none of those reflections affect or impact the mirror. Edited April 21 by Joseph Maynor Quote Mention 💬 🗯️🤍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Posted April 22 Author Share Posted April 22 12 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said: The Self knows itself through a non-pointing direct knowing. We might call that realization. The Self realizes itself. I want to say realizes itself from within, but that's a pointer too. The Self can know itself directly. You don't need a subject-object duality to know the Self. The Self doesn't need a thought to know the Self. It's the "I Am" that is not a thought. This is just a pointer obviously: It's the mirror realizing -- I ain't anything in the mirror, nor do I need anything in the mirror to realize that I am the mirror. The mirror is a part of everything reflected in the mirror but none of those reflections affect or impact the mirror. Very well said! 👍 The subject/object duality is within the illusory dream of separation where there is none. The ''I AM'' is the direct experience of empty space between the fullness of thought. Here; there is no middle man. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 @Joseph Maynor @Jane You also aren't the mirror. 😳 Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Self is obscured by its own appearance of knowing. Self knowing itself, knowing, self-knowing, direct-knowing, knowledge, self-knowledge, etc are appearance. If Self could know - birth, death, sleep & other would all be known. 🥰 Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Posted May 2 Author Share Posted May 2 (edited) On 4/22/2024 at 2:22 PM, Phil said: Self is obscured by its own appearance of knowing. Self knowing itself, knowing, self-knowing, direct-knowing, knowledge, self-knowledge, etc are appearance. If Self could know - birth, death, sleep & other would all be known. 🥰 Therefore knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality; the realisation by no one that there is no known knower, except as “thought” thinks so. What attends to “thought” what answers it, what identifies with it? The answer is more thought. Thoughts about thoughts will eventually reveal to themselves that given no attention they will literally cease to exist. If we let a thought be nothing, then that's what it will be ... nothing. Edited May 2 by Jane Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 (edited) On 2/28/2024 at 11:40 AM, Robed Mystic said: TrueSpirutality.org. all this community is coming to life ...once i have the URL i will post it here.. Leo's shit forum is done for - its down and he runs it from his basement. So we will continue to honor the spirit of Actualized.Org through my community. Edited May 4 by Robed Mystic Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 25 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said: all this community is coming to life ...once i have the URL i will post it here.. Leo's shit forum is done for - its down and he runs it from his basement. So we will continue to honor the spirit of Actualized.Org through my community. I have created my community..it will be known as spiritualityunmasked.com coming to a theater near you. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Posted May 4 Author Share Posted May 4 4 hours ago, Robed Mystic said: I have created my community..it will be known as spiritualityunmasked.com coming to a theater near you. Ok great. 👍 Will keep an eye open for it. 🙏 Thanks. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Posted May 4 Author Share Posted May 4 On 4/22/2024 at 1:53 PM, Orb said: @Joseph Maynor @Jane You also aren't the mirror. 😳 😬 There’s no thing being the mirror. I appear to be a paradox that never is/ was. 🤫 Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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