Pointing to the Self

[Jane]

 (Self) can point anywhere and everywhere, except to itself.  

To assume there is a (Self) that can be pointed AT , always is the assumption that BOTH 'the pointer' and 'the pointed upon' are two things. This apparent 'separation' is illusory. It's not real. But it's the only way the Self knows how to make sense of what is ultimately always this Nondual Self.

 

 

 

[Ceejay]

41 minutes ago, Jane said:

But it's the only way the Self knows how to make sense of what is ultimately always this Nondual Self.

By projecting this illusion of a split between 'pointer' and 'pointed upon'?

[Robed Mystic]

2 hours ago, Jane said:

 (Self) can point anywhere and everywhere, except to itself.  

To assume there is a (Self) that can be pointed AT , always is the assumption that BOTH 'the pointer' and 'the pointed upon' are two things. This apparent 'separation' is illusory. It's not real. But it's the only way the Self knows how to make sense of what is ultimately always this Nondual Self.

 

 

 

Division is the nature of reality.   Without division there would only be pure Oneness.   Division is not a bug but a feature.

Edited February 25 by Robed Mystic

[Ceejay]

39 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:

Division is the nature of reality.   Without division there would only be pure Oneness.   Division is not a bug but a feature.

Doesn't this also mean suffering is inevitable?

[Robed Mystic]

4 minutes ago, Ceejay said:

Doesn't this also mean suffering is inevitable?

Precisely.   Why is suffering bad? Isn't that something the ego has projected onto what must come with division?  Why is it a bad thing?  It's only a bad thing to the thing that is being split into two because then that thing goes away and there are two other things.   It is only bad from the perspective of the thing that was.  But reality must be impermanent.  The only thing permanent is reality itself.  The thing that was shifts into the two new things - or one of them - whatever it decides to be.  That shifting is Love - but to the thing that was it is suffering.

Edited February 25 by Robed Mystic

[Phil]

@Jane

Hi & welcome! 

[Phil]

1 hour ago, Robed Mystic said:

Division is the nature of reality.   Without division there would only be pure Oneness.   Division is not a bug but a feature.

Division is the thought, division. Division is not found otherwise in direct experience. 

 

 

[Ceejay]

47 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:

It's only a bad thing to the thing that is being split into two because then that thing goes away and there are two other things.   It is only bad from the perspective of the thing that was.

This thing that seems to be in tact right now, but will be split into two, is always a matter pertaining to the current egoic configuration (in the present moment) which is being split apart.

 

When you say it is only bad for that which is being split apart, you are in effect saying that "you are currently being split apart, but it's not bad, because it is only bad for you (which is that is being split)"... which doesn't logically make much sense, unless you have undergone all the "splits" which could produce any more suffering as far as your dream-body vehicle is concerned (aka liberated).

Edited February 25 by Ceejay

[Robed Mystic]

10 hours ago, Ceejay said:

This thing that seems to be in tact right now, but will be split into two, is always a matter pertaining to the current egoic configuration (in the present moment) which is being split apart.

 

When you say it is only bad for that which is being split apart, you are in effect saying that "you are currently being split apart, but it's not bad, because it is only bad for you (which is that is being split)"... which doesn't logically make much sense, unless you have undergone all the "splits" which could produce any more suffering as far as your dream-body vehicle is concerned (aka liberated).

Forget logic here dude.  We are way past logic. 

[Ceejay]

43 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:

Forget logic here dude.  We are way past logic. 

I was going to say it might have to do something with OCD or something, and then I read your response in the other thread (Dealing with intrusive thoughts), and you predicted that. Cool.

 

But I am what I am, so can't help be logical.

[Jane]

On 2/25/2024 at 4:02 PM, Phil said:

@Jane

Hi & welcome! 

Thank you! 🙂

[Jane]

@Phil Enjoyed the video. Thanks for posting!

 

Division is the thought. Yes! 👍

Edited February 27 by Jane

[Jane]

On 2/25/2024 at 3:00 PM, Robed Mystic said:

Division is the nature of reality.   Without division there would only be pure Oneness.   Division is not a bug but a feature.

Yes! 👍

[Phil]

39 minutes ago, Jane said:

@Phil Enjoyed the video. Thanks for posting!

🙏🏼♥️

 

 

 

 

Division is indeed a bug, a belief, and not a feature, as in division isn’t actual and can not be pointed to. 

 

OCD is a label used to describe a pattern of behavior that arises from the suppression or avoidance of underlying emotions. Namely insecurity, fear and worry.

 

Thoughts, labels, analogously like airplanes circling an airport, can never resolve… thoughts, labels… as that’s just more circling.

 

As thoughts ‘land’ in the runway of acknowleding and feeling the emotions, the circling… and the actions & behaviors that follow (ocd) come to an end… as does the suffering felt of refuting the guidance.

 

 

What makes ocd difficult is the reinforcing of the belief from ignorance / ‘someone else’ also ignoring & suppressing emotion. Therein is ‘the blind leading the blind’. Purporting, or, mistaking the second or separate self of thoughts for self; awareness aware of thoughts. 

 

Logic is never ‘in’ perception. Never seen or heard. ‘Logic’ is just another plane circling, looking to land.  

 

That which is aware of the thought ‘logic’, is not, and could not itself be, logic or logical. 

 

The “self” which is “beyond logic”… is the separate self of thoughts. 

 

Infinite can not know finite. 

 

As explained in the video, division never actually occurs, just as separation never actually occurs. 

 

It is only the apparent thoughts (about division & separation) which occur, as in, appear. 

 

The one who is beyond emotions & logic is a thought. The separate self of thoughts. The “one who has ocd”. 

The one which is prior and aware, is awareness - infinite. 

[Robed Mystic]

55 minutes ago, Phil said:

🙏🏼♥️

 

 

 

 

Division is indeed a bug, a belief, and not a feature, as in division isn’t actual and can not be pointed to. 

 

OCD is a label used to describe a pattern of behavior that arises from the suppression or avoidance of underlying emotions. Namely insecurity, fear and worry.

 

ss - infinite. 

This is nice but incorrect.  Division IS a feature and OCD is not a label.  There is a real mental illness called OCD.    Basically what you are saying is that Cancer is just a pattern of behavior.  OCD is no different from cancer in that it is a real illness.  Are you going to deny that cancer exists?  As for division, well - I dont have to really say much there.   Oneness is in a constant loop of dividing itself and then coming together.  So division is a feature of reality.  Reality does not stay in a state of Oneness.  It is constantly dividing itself and then coming back together, then dividing itself.  How you can not be conscious of this is beyond me - but then again - it never ceases to amaze me how people have the abiility to misconstrue reality.  It is happening all the time.  That is part of the division.

Edited February 27 by Robed Mystic

[Mandy]

@Robed Mystic Cancer is a pattern of behavior for "cells". There are no seperate cells, seperate selves. 

[Robed Mystic]

40 minutes ago, Mandy said:

@Robed Mystic Cancer is a pattern of behavior for "cells". There are no seperate cells, seperate selves. 

Did you really? 

[Jane]

3 hours ago, Phil said:

Infinite can not know finite. 

"We cannot know what we are; we cannot be what we know." 

[Phil]

2 hours ago, Robed Mystic said:

This is nice but incorrect.  Division IS a feature and OCD is not a label.  There is a real mental illness called OCD.    Basically what you’re saying is that Cancer is just a pattern of behavior.  OCD is no different from cancer in that it is a real illness.  Are you going to deny that cancer exists?  As for division, well - I dont have to really say much there.   Oneness is in a constant loop of dividing itself and then coming together.  So division is a feature of reality.  Reality does not stay in a state of Oneness.  It is constantly dividing itself and then coming back together, then dividing itself. 

There seems to be confusion with what I’m saying and what you’re saying. That is deflection & projection. We aren’t talking about cancer, which at least can be pointed to. You’re talking about cancer - but we aren’t. You’re saying that I’m saying ‘cancer is a pattern of behavior’, but I’ve not saying anything at all like that. That’s what deflection & projection is, and it’s aversion from feeling emotions. If you want to talk about cancer, no problem, just start a thread. 

 

Division is as experienced… the thought… division. 

 

There is no such (separate thing) as “a real illness”. 

 

“Oneness” is a loop, yes. Because it’s a belief. The thought will loop until resolving in the recognition of the suppressed emotion. This and aversion, deflection & projection are all one & the same. 

 

Division in this regard is an egocentric belief, misidentification as “knower”, and is not indicative of reality. 

 

Loops - are only experienced as thought. Not perception. Not sensation. 

 

“States” is not some thing, infinite can be ‘in’. That is a belief, which is again a loop (aversion, deflection & projection). 

 

Reality is infinite, and therein can not, and does not “divide itself and then come back together”. That is monkey mind, an appearance of thoughts. 

 

2 hours ago, Robed Mystic said:

How you can not be conscious of this is beyond me - but then again - it never ceases to amaze me how people have the abiility to misconstrue reality.  It is happening all the time.  That is part of the division.

The “one who is conscious of”, is the separate self of thoughts. That is the materialist’s paradigm. Only consciousness is conscious, and consciousness being infinite is not conscious of any thing. 

 

“People” are not misconstruing reality. In aversion, these beliefs are being projected onto “people”. It has nothing to do with anyone. It’s thoughts, beliefs. 

 

Time is a belief, in unison with, the separate self of thought (in linear time) 

 

 

Please take a break from purporting to be a teacher on this forum, and address these aspects with meditation, therapy, introspection, self-love or what have you. This has been said to you many times already - this is not an environment of “teachers & students”. Please refrain from continuing to make a fool of yourself in this way. There is no purporting of an authority here. This is a different environment for you and the mental paradigms & accompanying purporting and shenanigan’s of aversion, deflection & projection are not indicative of this forum’s orientation. The orientation here is introspection, actual awakening, sincerity, authenticity and honesty. In large part that starts with taking pause, self-respect, and allowing emotions to be felt. 

 

Take time to self-reflect. Consider intentions and why you are participating on this forum. 

 

[Jane]

2 hours ago, Robed Mystic said:

Reality does not stay in a state of Oneness.  It is constantly dividing itself and then coming back together, then dividing itself. 

Yes, but only within the apparent artificial dream of separation; where there is none. 

 

How can ONE thing know itself? without reflecting itself as other (thing). As and through the image of the imageless.

There is No such thing as ONEness; because there is no other than ONEness.