Does the human brain fabricate duality by design?

[Jonas Long]

? 

[Jonas Long]

Could it be a step in our evolution, collectively or individually?  Is the step of manufacturing apparent duality necessary in order to become self aware, awareness of self/other, so that we can eventually uncover our "true nature"?  Or does it have something to do with so-called karma? 

[Mandy]

The human brain is just another fabrication. Karma is essentially the delaying of the coming home (or recognition) of the parts of the Self thought to have been excluded. If no one's at "home" to catch the boomerangs they threw, (the parable of waiting for the bridegroom), if they forgot that the boomerang was thrown and aren't waiting for their return they get smacked upside the head with it. "Oh Hi! 🙂" That's all it is. It's the Zen stick, and you're always the one wielding the damn thing, cause it's exactly what you wanted. 

 

This isn't going anywhere. It isn't improving upon itself. Yet the opposite is equally impossible and so it seems. Sew it seams. Scissors, needle and thread, fabric of reality, all for naught, all for creation. But there's nothing more shitty than beholding the most spectacular creation and not getting to play a part, even if your first time molding the clay and it looks like a dog turd. There's nothing more beautiful or desired than the dog turd, the molding of the clay. 

[Jonas Long]

Put another way, does consciousness fabric duality by necessity 

[Mandy]

There's no fabric, no fabrication. 

[Jonas Long]

Is there any other way a world could be perceived than dualistically? 

[Mandy]

2 minutes ago, Jonas Long said:

Is there any other way a world could be perceived than dualistically? 

Perceiver/perceived. 

[Jonas Long]

Duality is heavily emphasized in most religions, is it because the way to understand nondual nature is to study the apparent duality? And recognize them eventually as holistic? Wholistic?  They can't exist independently, which means they are not 2/seperate 

 

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[Mandy]

Just now, Jonas Long said:

Duality is heavily emphasized in most religions, is it because the way to understand nondual nature is to study the apparent duality? 

 

Religion has nothing to do with nonduality. 

[Jonas Long]

1 minute ago, Mandy said:

Religion has nothing to do with nonduality. 

Does spirituality have something to do with nonduality? 

[Someone here]

@Jonas Long are you "Gesundheit2 "?

[Jonas Long]

Just now, Someone here said:

@Jonas Long are you "Gesundheit2 "?

No

[Mandy]

9 minutes ago, Jonas Long said:

Does spirituality have something to do with nonduality? 

No. Nonduality can't be separate from duality, so it's also religion, spirituality, mathematics, art, nature, comedy, etc. Neither none nor all. It's already that, it doesn't eventually lead to that. 

[Jonas Long]

4 minutes ago, Mandy said:

No. Nonduality can't be separate from duality, so it's also religion, spirituality, mathematics, art, nature, comedy, etc. Neither none nor all. It's already that, it doesn't eventually lead to that. 

What is the goal of religion, or spirituality? 

[Jonas Long]

9 minutes ago, Mandy said:

No. Nonduality can't be separate from duality, so it's also religion, spirituality, mathematics, art, nature, comedy, etc. Neither none nor all. It's already that, it doesn't eventually lead to that. 

So it does have something to do with those things, "conceptually" so to speak

Edited November 6, 2023 by Jonas Long

[Jonas Long]

8 minutes ago, Jonas Long said:

What is the goal of religion, or spirituality? 

Is it "remembering" the nondual nature of life, or consciousness?

Edited November 6, 2023 by Jonas Long

[Mandy]

2 minutes ago, Jonas Long said:

What is the goal of religion, or spirituality? 

To save a fictional character from damnation or to improve a fictional character. To teach a fictional character right from wrong. 

 

1 minute ago, Jonas Long said:

So it does have something to do with those things, "conceptually" so to speak

Sure, it's Mona Lisa, the statue of David and the dog turd all at the same time, or else whatever you'd like to think it is. 

[Jonas Long]

Just now, Mandy said:

To save a fictional character from damnation or to improve a fictional character. To teach a fictional character right from wrong. 

Is it really that though? I know that's how it's used a lot, but was that the real intention of all religion? 

[Mandy]

Just now, Jonas Long said:

Is it "remembering" the nondual nature of life, or consciousness 

Hopefully, but hope turns out to be a fallacy and there isn't a goal. There's no time for this to occur in. We're totally and delightfully screwed in all possible meanings of the phrase. 

[Jonas Long]

Just now, Mandy said:

Hopefully, but hope turns out to be a fallacy and there isn't a goal. There's no time for this to occur in. We're totally and delightfully screwed in all possible meanings of the phrase. 

Is the idea of duality necessary for the idea of time to exists?