Randomness, Odds, Chaos, Luck, Chance etc.

[Phil]

Randomness, Odds, Chaos, Luck, Chance etc - let’s get to the truth. 

 

What is the experience of these?

 

What is the truth of these?

 

Why is it so ‘tricky’ to deduce or recognize?

 

Why is one born in favorable fortune in terms of geography, health / genetics / environment or finances (or anything else) and yet another is not?

 

Why does one life go favorably in similar regard, while another does not?

 

Is it just how it is?

 

Is it changeable - destiny / fate?

 

What role if any does choice play?

[Enlightened Cat]

3 hours ago, Phil said:

What is the experience of these?

Inference.

 

3 hours ago, Phil said:

What is the truth of these?

Inference.

 

3 hours ago, Phil said:

Why is it so ‘tricky’ to deduce or recognize?

I guess because it seems to predict "real" things?

For example, what is the chance of rain tomorrow? You check the weather app, and then it rains according to that chance, at least seemingly. Holding the inference (in this case, the chance given from the weather app), gives a sense that you are predicting reality and that you are viewing reality accurately in some way, like a psychic would read the future.

 

3 hours ago, Phil said:

Why is one born in favorable fortune in terms of geography, health / genetics / environment or finances (or anything else) and yet another is not?

The "why" doesn't seem applicable here because it is based on "another which is not." The perception of favorable fortune is created through the inferred difference between two subjects. "Favorable fortune" is another probability, like on the weather app.  Asking "why" is like creating a math equation in your head, and then asking why the math equation exists and why it confuses you. The thing you are questioning should be questioned, not the fact that it exists. Not "why does it exist?", but "what does it exist as?"

 

3 hours ago, Phil said:

Why does one life go favorably in similar regard, while another does not?

If it is truly one life, how can it be compared, unless it is two lives? Such a bridge can only be created through a mental measuring stick. The map should not be confused for the territory.

 

3 hours ago, Phil said:

Is it just how it is?

Not really, things aren't meshed in probability as the paradigm suggests. 

 

3 hours ago, Phil said:

Is it changeable - destiny / fate?

Yes. Don't know if calling it destiny or fate is actually accurate though. The "future" can always be changed, but it's not actually the future, just your inference about it, which is extrapolated from the present moment. You can always examine and change your perception of the future because it always happens from wherever you presently are. Even within the paradigm in question, odds change all the time. 

 

3 hours ago, Phil said:

What role if any does choice play?

You can choose to act as if life is a favourable or unfavourable probability, or recognize the limits of living that way.

Edited November 5, 2023 by Enlightened Cat

[James123]

13 hours ago, Phil said:

Randomness, Odds, Chaos, Luck, Chance etc - let’s get to the truth. 

 

What is the experience of these?

 

What is the truth of these?

 

Why is it so ‘tricky’ to deduce or recognize?

 

Why is one born in favorable fortune in terms of geography, health / genetics / environment or finances (or anything else) and yet another is not?

 

Why does one life go favorably in similar regard, while another does not?

 

Is it just how it is?

 

Is it changeable - destiny / fate?

 

What role if any does choice play?

Inevitable.

[Devin]

17 hours ago, Phil said:

Randomness, Odds, Chaos, Luck, Chance etc - let’s get to the truth. 

 

What is the experience of these?

 

What is the truth of these?

 

Why is it so ‘tricky’ to deduce or recognize?

 

Why is one born in favorable fortune in terms of geography, health / genetics / environment or finances (or anything else) and yet another is not?

 

Why does one life go favorably in similar regard, while another does not?

 

Is it just how it is?

 

Is it changeable - destiny / fate?

 

What role if any does choice play?

This is like asking why about the details of an abstract painting,

"why this color as a squiggly", "this one a square".

Infinity Phil, EVERYTHING is, every scenario.

 

Edited November 6, 2023 by Devin

[Phil]

@Enlightened Cat

If randomness, odds, luck, chance are inference, why not simply set the inference aside and win the lottery today? 

 

A psychic relies on thought & intuition while a meteorologist relies on thought and perception. Why don’t you check with a psychic instead of the weather channel or site?

 

In terms of geography, health / genetics / environment or finances… using finances as an example, two subjects need not be compared. Two bank accounts can be compared. 

 

As far as one life, two lives… anything can follow ‘if’ & ‘should’. ‘If’ randomness, odds, luck & chance are inference, rather than another forthcoming inference, why not win the lottery today & change the weather?

 

Odds being ‘inference’, and ‘changing all the time’ - why doesn’t the inference change the weather? 

 

@Devin

There could be an experience of a thought or idea (abstraction) about the weathering being 200 degrees today, yes? 

But it isn’t, is it?

That would be delusion, yes? 

[Blessed2]

Maybe luck, odds etc. is like trying to make infinite work finite.

 

"Infinite can not know finite."

 

Like trying to push an infinity - sized pool of water through a wall with no hole in it.

 

[Devin]

32 minutes ago, Phil said:

@Enlightened Cat

If randomness, odds, luck, chance are inference, why not simply set the inference aside and win the lottery today? 

 

A psychic relies on thought & intuition while a meteorologist relies on thought and perception. Why don’t you check with a psychic instead of the weather channel or site?

 

In terms of geography, health / genetics / environment or finances… using finances as an example, two subjects need not be compared. Two bank accounts can be compared. 

 

As far as one life, two lives… anything can follow ‘if’ & ‘should’. ‘If’ randomness, odds, luck & chance are inference, rather than another forthcoming inference, why not win the lottery today & change the weather?

 

Odds being ‘inference’, and ‘changing all the time’ - why doesn’t the inference change the weather? 

 

@Devin

There could be an experience of a thought or idea (abstraction) about the weathering being 200 degrees today, yes? 

But it isn’t, is it?

That would be delusion, yes? 

"Today" is the delusion though. Randomness, Chaos, Odds, Luck, chance; are based on the delusion of established patterns, finitude.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Devin

[Alexander]

3 minutes ago, Devin said:

"Today" is the delusion though. Randomness, Chaos, Odds, Luck, chance; are based on the delusion of established patterns, finitude.

But Infinity is nothingness.Finitude is somethingness.

[Phil]

@Devin

In the midwest, where there is an established pattern of winter following fall and preceding spring, would you wear the same clothes when it’s 25 degrees in winter as when it’s 90 degrees in summer, because “Randomness, Chaos, Odds, Luck, chance; are based on the delusion of established patterns, finitude”?

 

 

 

 

[Devin]

4 minutes ago, Phil said:

@Devin

In the midwest, where there is an established pattern of winter following fall and preceding spring, would you wear the same clothes when it’s 25 degrees in winter as when it’s 90 degrees in summer, because “Randomness, Chaos, Odds, Luck, chance; are based on the delusion of established patterns, finitude”?

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Des Moines Register

https://www.desmoinesregister.com › ...

Iowa weather forecast sees possible record-high December temperatures

Dec 13, 2021 — Des Moines could hit 70 degrees Wednesday and set an all-time record high temperature for December. Iowa's capital hit 69 degrees six times

[Devin]

It's like Enron, believing in patterns is just another belief. Like driving a car, drive a million times safely, wham crash a million second time.

[Phil]

@Devin

So middle of winter, 25 degrees, wearing shorts and a t-shirt… 

“It's like Enron, believing in patterns is just another belief. Like driving a car, drive a million times safely, wham crash a million second time.”

?

@Alexander

“But Infinity is nothingness.Finitude is somethingness.”

?

 

Someone hands you the winning lottery numbers and….

“It's like Enron, believing in patterns is just another belief. Like driving a car, drive a million times safely, wham crash a million second time.”

“But Infinity is nothingness.Finitude is somethingness”

[Devin]

1 hour ago, Phil said:

@Devin

So middle of winter, 25 degrees, wearing shorts and a t-shirt… 

“It's like Enron, believing in patterns is just another belief. Like driving a car, drive a million times safely, wham crash a million second time.”

?

@Alexander

“But Infinity is nothingness.Finitude is somethingness.”

?

 

Someone hands you the winning lottery numbers and….

“It's like Enron, believing in patterns is just another belief. Like driving a car, drive a million times safely, wham crash a million second time.”

“But Infinity is nothingness.Finitude is somethingness”

It is. Consider a hyper intelligent alien mouse from a galaxy far far away, he was just at another planet that was 25F for millenia, now it's 70F there all the time, no notice that it was going to change, he comes here and says 50/50 whether cold or warm tomorrow no matter what.

 

In the grand scheme of things Phil even by modern science, the probability says tomorrow will most likely be 0 degrees Kelvin, 99% of all time that was the temperature.

[Devin]

I would make an interesting weatherman.

[Devin]

You ever look at a field of wildflowers, endless views and patterns, look over here queen Anne's lace, over here golden rod, ....., look at an individual petal or stimus, the stalk, roots, bugs,.... The delusion of time makes it seem as if something is happening, movement in time, your "direct experience" inspection will show its not.

 

To think Day, or this is happening is falling for the story of movement in time. Think of "all that exists, infinity" as a wildflower field, including sounds and feelings, like there was a painting of sounds or feelings, a visual painting you look at(experience) one squiggly at a 'time' but does the painting change throughout time? Think that there is no time that everything already exists, that time is delusion, like how 'time' would be in heaven, loopy, but it's actually crazier to believe in time, archaic even, it's based on a moving rock, the earth, moving around a burning ball of gas 🤣, that's one step removed from worshipping a flying man in the sky, really, it's still sun worship, how can you get more relativistic than time?

 

You ever hear or feel "time stand still", "felt like forever", "time flew", what objective observation of time is had, count "one Mississippi"? And a better question, what matters?

 

Thinking there's chaos, chance, or luck, is no different than faith in God, a divine plan or hand, all while disregarding eternity, infinity.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Devin

[Devin]

A painting is actually viewed by MOVING light waves, no different than sound, or feelings, so actually you could say the part of the painting you're not looking at doesn't exist in the same way the sounds or feelings you're not experiencing don't exist.

 

But they all do exist, and all at once, everything, experience, feeling, sound, scenario, exists now. Because there's no other time, all is one including every feeling, sound, color, and scenario.

 

It's like looking at a wildflower field and saying ohh the chaos, the luck, chance, but no, every scenario exists, there's not a 1 in a million chance for anything, it's 100% chance of everything.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Devin

[Phil]

@Devin

‘Randomness, Odds, Chaos, Luck, Chance’ (the thread topic) aren’t quite the same as patterns.

In fact, patterns are actually opposite in that they are discernible & predictable. 

[Jonas Long]

32 minutes ago, Phil said:

@Devin

‘Randomness, Odds, Chaos, Luck, Chance’ (the thread topic) aren’t quite the same as patterns.

In fact, patterns are actually opposite in that they are discernible & predictable. 

Is there chaos without patterns?  I've seen no evidence of this. 

[Devin]

32 minutes ago, Phil said:

@Devin

‘Randomness, Odds, Chaos, Luck, Chance’ (the thread topic) aren’t quite the same as patterns.

In fact, patterns are actually opposite in that they are discernible & predictable. 

Yep, the only reason you would question those though is if you believed in patterns.

[Phil]

@Devin

How so?