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4 minutes ago, Phil said:
Either that or you were born.
ok cool. I appreciate the answers although right now is probably not a good time for me to contemplate them. 😅
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@Phil so you're saying there is a self?
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15 minutes ago, Blessed2 said:
Spiritual people say that there is no time, but I say time heals.
Yeah this always bothered me about the 'here and now' type advice, sometimes I feel like shit but the thought that I will feel better in the future helps sooo much and gives me hope. And whaddya know I do feel better after a while.
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2 hours ago, Phil said:
The word unicorn pops up a lot on this forum.
Ever actually experienced a unicorn?
The idea of a unicorn could be useful though.
@Phil I understand what you are trying to say but it seems my mind is in a state where it just constructs more and more stories about everything, even if its helpful like observing direct experience. Honestly the best I've felt recently is when I'm not thinking about this spirituality/consciousness shit and just doing normal stuff. How do I just be normal again?
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1 hour ago, Phil said:
Some thoughts feel discordant.
Some thoughts feel aligned.
To, feeling.
Or alternatively, join Scientology and listen to David Miscavige. He doesn’t experience discordant and aligned thoughts, he knows & understands everything about feeling instead. By listening to him, you don’t even need to deal with the whole feeling thing at all. You won’t have to feel emotions or anything like that.
From his years of deep learning & knowing and understanding, decades, an entire lifetime really, he’s become infinite feeling. So now he can help you expand your feeling too and reach levels of feeling in the future that you can’t even imagine right now. Then at some point in the future you’ll experience an amazing, fulfilled and happy life - just like he is. You’ll also finally know & understand your purpose and make tons of money from it - just like he is.
Infinite levels of feeling. Levels of feeling so high and so profound, no human has ever reached these levels of feeling before. Alien levels of feeling. What he’s saying might not resonate at first, initially, but the reason no one else knows or understands the infinite & alien levels of feeling David has reached is simply because no one else knows or understands what David knows & understands about the infinite & alien levels of feeling.
These aren’t just thoughts & emotions like you experience. That’s really dumb low-feeling human stuff. This is something altogether different. This is going to help you become and also obtain that deep fulfilled inner happiness in the future, and help you share it in that relationship which is what you actually really want, just like it did for him in the past. You’ll have to realize that everyone is toxic and cut them out of your life, along with anyone who questions what David knows and understands, but don’t think that through, just listen to what David says. That’s the most important piece of the puzzle. Critical really.
So the most important thing is listening to David because only David can teach you these levels of feeling, because David is the only one who knows and understands. Just reiterating that because that is the most important part. That’s why you have to take David seriously and do a lot of work to reach the levels like he did. And you’re in luck, because for only a small amount of money, he’ll share all of that knowledge and understanding about the feeling you’re seeking with you. If you stick with him and listen to everything he says, he’ll get you to Xenu, and then you’ll be Xenu-Consiousness and finally be able to feel the discord and alignment of some thoughts.
Ok this made me laugh. Reminds me of my actualized.org days.
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@Blessed2 ok maybe we have a different definition of ego
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@Phil Ok these are a lot of questions, I don't know if i can answer them all.
12 hours ago, Phil said:There are two feeling in direct experience?
The memories of both at least.
12 hours ago, Phil said:Is it ok with you if everyone experiences empowerment, or do emotions have to be about you?
Of course it's ok. Empowerment is a good thing right?
12 hours ago, Phil said:When you have a strong ego, self referential thoughts like ‘I’m weak’ will no longer be met with the guidance of the emotion powerlessness?
A strong healthy ego would have thoughts like 'I'm strong' right?
12 hours ago, Phil said:How are you differentiating the teachings referred to, on which all of this seems to stand, from common everyday egocentric lies & manipulation?
Well it seems that killing the ego does seem wrong but also that what you are saying seems to point to no self.
12 hours ago, Phil said:What is the actual reason or logic for listening to self proclaimed teachers, rather than emotions & feeling?
How exactly do you expect to feel as yourself, while suppressing yourself in favor of listing to teachers?
I'm not sure really. It honesly feels pretty discordant but there's always the thought that this person knows more than me and has a better understanding of the mind and reality.
12 hours ago, Phil said:Ever actually experienced this…. ego?
When did you come up with that term anyways?
I mean, it's there in pretty much one of the most common terms in spirituality.
13 hours ago, Phil said:There isn’t a single teacher of nonduality, at least in this frame of reference, which suggests any of what you’re saying here.
I mean a lot of the buddhist teachers talk about no self, emptiness and nothingness a lot. A lot of nondual teachers also talk about the self being an illusion. I guess I'm misinterpreting them based on my conditioning?
13 hours ago, Phil said:Why not let it be as it is… that easy, self-evident and simple?
So it's ok to feel like a self?
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@Joseph Maynor 13 Angels Standing Guard 'Round the Side of Your Bed absolutely slaps
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8 hours ago, Blessed2 said:
Nope. This is a misunderstanding of the non-dual message. That's like saying "strong and healthy cancer".
So is self esteem, ambition, identity, healthy boundaries, willpower and values all like cancer then?
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6 hours ago, Mandy said:
Just saw this on Facebook.
Yes, but who really draws them?
the kids. So does that mean that there is a self that is not the ego?
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1 hour ago, Phil said:
Before balance of the two, in accordance with direct experience, what are the two?
Just a feeling of being myself vs a feeling of not being a self.
1 hour ago, Phil said:In accordance with direct experience, what is ego?
What is a strong & healthy ego?
What is “transcending ego”?
a strong core sense of 'self' that is empowered and in control, with healthy boundaries, and ambitions. This is a feeling in direct experience and does not feel particularly discordant.
Transcending ego I'm not sure any more. I guess it really depends on how you define ego.
1 hour ago, Phil said:What is ‘sense of identity’?
A feeling of being someone.
1 hour ago, Phil said:How does that thought self referential thought feel, great or not great?
Which emotion is felt?
pretty not great. Fear and depression.
1 hour ago, Phil said:There isn’t an ego… yet there is… an even worse ego… and or an ego identifying with having no ego?
The ego identifying with no ego. which feels worse than just regular ego.
1 hour ago, Phil said:What is delusion?
identification with thoughts.
1 hour ago, Phil said:Is this comparison rooted in direct experience?
Kinda
1 hour ago, Phil said:Why not keep it simple and just ‘listen’ to feeling?
Because what feeling is seemingly in contradiction to what these spriritual teachers are saying.
1 hour ago, Phil said:Where did all these ideas and concepts come from in the first place?
Most nondual teachers really.
1 hour ago, Phil said:How do thoughts of lack, shortage, unwholeness, incompleteness feel?
Great, or not great?
What emotion(s) is felt?
obviously not great. But other self referantial thoughts do feel great. For example 'i had a really great time with my friends last night' or 'I am worthy of respect'
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@Mandy In that case a healthy sense of self and boundaries is just normal healthy functioning right?
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@Mandy ok but then how exactly do I function then?
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@Mandy ok so there is no ego. Does that mean that self esteem, values, personal boundaries, willpower, ambition, goals, identity, personality etc. are all pointless?
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1 minute ago, Blessed2 said:
Nope. This is a misunderstanding of the non-dual message. That's like saying "strong and healthy cancer".
How so?
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How do you balance the two? I've noticed a conflict between spiritual teachings. Some which say that building a strong and healthy ego is important and others that say that ego should be transcended. In my experience, losing my sense of identity actually feels really discordant. I don't have strong convictions, beliefs or morals or sense of purpose. My relationships become meaningless and I have weak personal boundaries. In fact it seems like not having a strong and healthy ego creates an even worse ego that identifies with having no ego. Like I am even deeper into the delusion. Having no sense of self just feels like being a zombie.
How do I balance this? It feels much less discordant to actually feel like I'm me rather than feeling like nothing or that the me is an illusion which must me transcended. I would much rather be a healthy person with strong willpower, relationships, personality and boundaries than some zombie. In fact it seems closer to truth.
But how do I make sense of this?
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@Mandy Literally any text involving spirituality of any kind. But the worst one was UG krishamurthi's stuff
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48 minutes ago, Mandy said:
Better?
yeah reading any spiritual text seems to give me existential dread at the moment.
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@Mandy Thanks, I might read it when I get a bit better.
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6 hours ago, Alexander said:
Not if you experience it.Where do you think spiritual path leads?
Are you experiencing it now? The spiritual path leads right here.
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2 hours ago, Alexander said:
What is left when thoughts are no longer indentified with.An Infinite self.So you are not crazy your experiences are why we do this spiritual work in the first place.
The idea that there is a 'self' which has these experiences is the illusion. The infinite self is also a thought that is identified with.
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@Mandy Actually it was kind of a relief. But I was mostly like 'Holy fuck I can't believe I was this much of an idiot'
But yeah the crazy thoughts were just believed and identified with.
Healthy sense of self vs Egolessness
in Nonduality, Consciousness, Awakening, Enlightenment, Self-Recognition
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@Phil Yeah in case you haven't noticed, I've thought myself into a sticky situation and thinking more about it makes it even more sticky.