Iesu
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3 minutes ago, Aware Wolf said:
LOL.
Okay
S Tier Bad Guru Boss level: Osho. Osho is my candidate for premier bad boy guru. I've met disciples of his and they lived at Rajneesh Puram Oregon. But of course they weren't aware of all the bad stuff going on. Many times they still like Osho and blame it all on Sheela, his secretary.
Wild, Wild Country is a great series.Leo would be way down lowest Tier F category, I think. For a guru, there's no free love, no sex scandals, no finanacial scandals, no physical or sexual abuse.Perhaps because Leo doesn't have an ashram. There's only so much damage you can do with an Internet Forum and your fans being horny guys who need to be hosed down. If we rated gurus only on their forums, Leo Gura would def be a higher tier.
Bad boy guru xD
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1 minute ago, Aware Wolf said:
Who was Keith Raniere? THE VANGUARD
Who was Osho? BHAGAVAN (which means God)
Who is Bentinho Massaro? A Level 8 God Being (Jesus and Buddha only being level 7s)
Who is Frank Yang? THE ARAHANT
Sounds like an anime boss tier list
Was poking fun when you said no one cares
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8 minutes ago, Faith said:
Heyyyy, that's my signature🤣
No one cares (;
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6 minutes ago, Aware Wolf said:
Ya, that's what drives Buddhists a bit mad. Ingram and Yang use a Buddhist framework to buttress their claims. The term Arahant has a specific definition in the tradition. Even if you want to be broad in what an Arahant can or cannot do, an Arahant is on the same level as a Buddha. Both Ingram and Yang talk about Jhana and use Buddhist maps and concepts as evidence of their attainment. However. Like I said, they get a ton wrong. I could go into detail here. Google Analayo's review of Ingram's book and you'll see a scholarly article that is a take-down of Ingram.
Perhaps one example might suffice. Ingram uses his dreams as evidence he's cleared high levels of Buddhist insight. Let’s play a game -- I’ll give the Daniel dream or experience and you guess the Insight knowledge Daniel obtained: 1) a dream of a witch zapping things with her wand; 2) A dream of being a Gerbil on a wheel and seeing God; 3) Being on a hike, legs tired, shoulders hunched.It’s funny. Here’s a guy, a MD, so he’s obviously educated. He writes a book that’s readable enough. He delves into meditation maps and stages with technical fury. Yet, he gives the most juvenile responses for his Insight Experiences. What is this, a joke? You saw a witch? Little green men? Fairies? No joke -- Ingram gives watching TV as leading to high equanimity.
This can drive Buddhists a bit batty.
If Ingram and Yang claimed to be "A Grand Poobah" -- no one would care. The nice thing about Neo Advaita and their awakenings is that they're not hijacking some other traditions definition of what it means to be awakened. If you take some Ramana and Nisargadatta books and put yourself in a cabin for a month, you can come out awakened. And there's Neo Advaita types that do this and start a YouTube channel. I can't and don't say they're wrong. It's a different concept of awakening than the Arahant model or Tibetan God Level Buddha or high level Bodhisattva model. It's definitely more do-able. In fact, I often enjoy watching them as often they're enthusiastic and it's fun.Words. "No one" would care lol
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5 minutes ago, Aware Wolf said:
Ya, that's what drives Buddhists a bit mad. Ingram and Yang use a Buddhist framework to buttress their claims. The term Arahant has a specific definition in the tradition. Even if you want to be broad in what an Arahant can or cannot do, an Arahant is on the same level as a Buddha. Both Ingram and Yang talk about Jhana and use Buddhist maps and concepts as evidence of their attainment. However. Like I said, they get a ton wrong. I could go into detail here. Google Analayo's review of Ingram's book and you'll see a scholarly article that is a take-down of Ingram.
Perhaps one example might suffice. Ingram uses his dreams as evidence he's cleared high levels of Buddhist insight. Let’s play a game -- I’ll give the Daniel dream or experience and you guess the Insight knowledge Daniel obtained: 1) a dream of a witch zapping things with her wand; 2) A dream of being a Gerbil on a wheel and seeing God; 3) Being on a hike, legs tired, shoulders hunched.It’s funny. Here’s a guy, a MD, so he’s obviously educated. He writes a book that’s readable enough. He delves into meditation maps and stages with technical fury. Yet, he gives the most juvenile responses for his Insight Experiences. What is this, a joke? You saw a witch? Little green men? Fairies? No joke -- Ingram gives watching TV as leading to high equanimity.
This can drive Buddhists a bit batty.
If Ingram and Yang claimed to be "A Grand Poobah" -- no one would care. The nice thing about Neo Advaita and their awakenings is that they're not hijacking some other traditions definition of what it means to be awakened. If you take some Ramana and Nisargadatta books and put yourself in a cabin for a month, you can come out awakened. And there's Neo Advaita types that do this and start a YouTube channel. I can't and don't say they're wrong. It's a different concept of awakening than the Arahant model or Tibetan God Level Buddha or high level Bodhisattva model. It's definitely more do-able. In fact, I often enjoy watching them as often they're enthusiastic and it's fun.Words
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Frank yang has to be my favorite "teacher" man is a fucking prodigy
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@Aware Wolf take what you like and leave the rest
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52 minutes ago, Aware Wolf said:
"You can be enlightened and be a total asshole."
Frank Yang said you could be an enlightened psychopath
Lol he uses the word Bias every other sentence
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4 minutes ago, Aware Wolf said:
There's other spiritualities that I could call out for issues and problems. Astrology, spirit mediums, Law of Attraction. The difference between these and Leo Gura's community is that Leo is part of this obnoxious trifecta whose fanboy simps (Daniel Ingram, Leo Gura, and John Yates (Culadasa) who are often young white males who aggressively believe they have THE TRUTH and condescend other points of view. I don't have any problems with people who like Ram Dass, Joseph Goldstein, Eckhart Tolle.
To quote some favorite Leoisms: "Your awakening is incomplete." "You're not there yet." "You obviously weren't ready for the video and should have turned it off."fanboy simps lol
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@Aware Wolf @Baller @Joseph Maynor If babies, dogs, and cats are embodying truth I'd like to think that anyone can
And what ever happened to showing compassion to others like they are the other you
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Just now, Joseph Maynor said:
@Iesu Because the laziest and least-aware people are going to take that as a fact and internalize it.
Yeah but one for all and all for one. And it's not that people are lazy or "least aware" there are people just starting that the path that genuinelyLi don't know and get confused.
Like Phil said you can't be more awake then yourself.
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Just now, Baller said:
Yeah, it's about as surprising as dogs barking or cats meowing. 😁
I know many zen masters, all cats
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Just now, Baller said:
But Leo said "it's not in any dictionary." That Oxford English has been captured by crazy people is irrelevant. Its reputation stands until it doesn't. The word is in every other dictionary, Collins, Merriam-Webster, Cambridge, etc.
So what to make of this? Either it's Leo being lazy (possible -- looked up Oxford English and extrapolated) or more likely it's gaslighting by Leo. Something very much inline with behavior of malignant narcissists.
Would you really be surprised if you found out Leo was actually gas lighting. I think we all know that answer
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3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:
@Iesu His newest video is good too. He's growing a lot and is already very developed too. He has teachings that I've never seen anywhere else. I enjoy relating with him.
watched the others on 14 grams of shrooms lemon tekked in monster and did another 14 gram trip and 3 5-7gram trips. The healing and light from those trips have been the best emotion I had ever felt. Guys like Lester and you guys have been nothing but helpful. Had the insight that self was other at 18. But someone we know who teaches non duality seems to have a shadow of solipsism. So being utterly confused by the amazing direct experience and the "words" of the "teacher". With amazing pointers like "It's just you" "there is only you" "other is a projection of your own mind" "You're imagining mu and all others" "I had a traumatic experience I imagined my mom" "it feels like you're going insane"
But holy shit if Leo said 99% of what he said in person there would be mobs of people chasing him. Then the sexuality sub forum, the party with god videos, the narcissism, spiritual ego, him saying he does not personally love you, the leaked video of Connor murphy where he couldn't care less when he had Psychosis, the list goes on
I find that solipsism video so ironic not only because it was uploaded on valentines day (yikes) but Rupert spire who has made videos talking about non duality not being solipsism was on the SAME podcast Leo was.
I want to take 100% responsibility in life but holy shit, I have suffered EMENSLY from that man. I'm doing a lot better but Psychosis, suicidal depression, existential anxt, struggling with being on the spectrum. And then my friendS die and when I say I feel suicidal he calls it ego bullshit.
I'm still struggling still but regardless I think Leo is a terrible person and there need's to be a HUGE moderation of that channel/forum
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On 4/5/2022 at 10:08 PM, Joseph Maynor said:
Lester really pointed out a few points about Leo I had some concerns about in a few videos.
Party with God am I right? lol
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An angel's smile is what you sell
You promise me Heaven, then put me through hell@LeoGura
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On 3/20/2022 at 10:03 AM, Zeroguy said:
Love you man.
Right back at you
On 3/20/2022 at 10:01 AM, Phil said:The emperor asked Bodhidharma: "What is the first principle?"
Bodhidharma said, "I don't know. I don't know is the first principle. There are no enlightened people, there is only enlightened activity.”
- Shunryu Suzuki
The Ego is an Activity, Not an Entity
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On 3/25/2022 at 11:42 AM, Zeroguy said:
+1
Good to see people seeing past Leo's spiritual ego
you are the other me
The poem famously draws on "Phil"osophical concepts held by the Mayan people known as In Lak'ech, meaning "you are the other me." The poem also draws, although less prominently, on Aztec traditions, such as through the appearance of Quetzalcoatl.
😘
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Truth comes before proof. And truth is unfalseafiable. And just happens to be LOVE
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1 hour ago, Forza21 said:
yeah. Solipsism, it is great excuse to develop pretty big spiritual ego, it expands it, instead dissolving😉 I was at the edge of suicide too, because of that. It's dangerous. And all he says about it that "you just can't handle the truth" . Bullshit. Truth is infinite love, and it doesn't hurt.
"Leo's teachings"
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6 hours ago, Iesu said:
I have had nothing but the worst experiences because of leos teachings and he told it was ego bullshit when I wanted to killself because he said other was a projection of your own mind
Lol enlightenment isn't even an experience
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57 minutes ago, Forza21 said:
yeah. Solipsism, it is great excuse to develop pretty big spiritual ego, it expands it, instead dissolving😉 I was at the edge of suicide too, because of that. It's dangerous. And all he says about it that "you just can't handle the truth" . Bullshit. Truth is infinite love, and it doesn't hurt.
Facts
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I have had nothing but the worst experiences because of leos teachings and he told it was ego bullshit when I wanted to killself because he said other was a projection of your own mind
My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?
in The Path
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Simmer down you two
@Adeptus Psychonautica @Robed Mystic
Non Duality Wars be like