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@Phil I dont remember you talking about your "first" (orginal..or breakthrough ..or seeing the tail of the Ox ) awakening experience..do you mind sharing ? Like where did these insights were revealed to you ?How did you discover these things ? @Jane since when did ANYTHING made any sense ? 😉

@Phil OK thank you . I disagree but whatever.

Haha you are right . Just to be clear ..no ill feelings towards you brother. I like you . Have a nice day.

How so ? I'm not a millionaire. That's what's already the case in my life financially. So if I choose to consciously create money and prosperity I have to be a separate self who is the thinker and doer of thoughts and deeds and actively work towards my goal . Do we have free will or not? Just get practical for once . You can ditch everything that is being asked as "concepts of the frickin separate self of thought "..but trust me it doesn't work like that. Phil...look..you are really stuck on this.. I'm not some dumb idiot wall that can’t comprehend what you are saying. .I don't need to be told I'm not a person over and over again. Yes...I get there is no separation. But hey “people” still commit suicide in this infinite pool of bliss because they don’t know they’re in it. But that doesn't compute because when shit hits the fan you become a person. If I'm not a separate self...then that's a licence to do evil ..or to insult you right now (this is just an example). because the cold hard fact of there not being a separate self relieves me of any semblance of responsibility for what stupid shit is leaving my mouths @James123 arguing with you is pointless .

Another hopeless attempt to encapsulate what enlightenment is . Its not this nor that. Its both and neither . "Love means I'm everything. Wisdom means I'm nothing. Between these two my life swings. " -Nisargadatta Maharaj How is awakening singular when what you can awaken to is infinite ? An absolute truth in an infinite reality?! Do you see anything not adding up here ? You can become awake that you are God. But that's not the only awakening to be had .you can also become awake of why the sky appears blue or why worms exist. You can literally become awake about every single object in existence 😂.

I'm not downgrading neither Phil nor Leo . Both are "real mystics ". There is no question about it if you watch their videos and read them. I was merely pointing out that they both think they've got all finished and figured out .which is a paradigm-lock and delusion. Since reality is infinite ..you can never figure it out completely.

@Robed Mystic Lol. Well I don't understand fully these expressions (I'm Indian as you know so I don't know all of English )...but I will say this ..what is happening is a paradigm-lock . Leo for example is so hooked on calling everything imaginary and that you are God. You can't convince him otherwise .not in a sextilion years lol. He doesn't understand that you are both God and human simultaneously. Just like when Jesus said whoever saw me saw the father. But in other places in the Bible he says I'm a mere mortal human.. and your father (God )is in the heavens. Likewise..forget about convincing Phil that there IS a Self ..he is paradigm locked. To him this the cream of the crop of all spiritual teachings ..he does not understand that he is God . I think this conversation is pointless mental masturbation. Everyone is paradigm locked and defending his perspective as gospel and doesn't want to try to understand a different perspective. It's close mindedness.

Which is exactly my point..there seems to be contradiction between claiming there is nobody doing anything and saying you create your dream life .

I understand. And I agree . But you are speaking from a so much absolutism pov. what about the relative world when we make distinctions for practicality ? What about free will ? Do you think humans have free will or is everything predestined from the get go?

@Robed Mystic also answer my dm.

Then what is it that you've called "crap "? I talked about free will and consciously creating using a vision board Is that what you call crap ?

Why are you calling it crap? Have you tried using a vision board yourself before judging? Two years ago I was on the brink of suicide because I didn't have a girlfriend and it was truly a thorn in my side ..but I used affirmations ..Loa..vision board and I attracted a girl in my college and fucked her brains out.. I have shared it on actialized ..I felt on top of the world .(although we broke up recently lol) Don't call it crap just because you disagree. Just say it doesn't resonate Remember this is Phil's forum not yours ..so I if in your shoes I would not be so confronting and obnoxious..don't get surprised if he kicks you out.

A quick question please.. If There is no doer ..how does free will fit into the big picture of conscious creating ? If there is nobody doing anything..that means the 'apparent' individual/human character is not in control of neither his thoughts nor his actions and thereby completely powerless as to how his life unfolds ..right?....but then you teach stuff like "you are the sole creator of reality ".."write your desires on the dreamboard " and wait for it to show up in your life ..how to bridge these two together? I know I've asked you this plenty in the past but its honestly fucking my mind hard lol😂 ..I can't get it .

@Phil just joking BTW

Do you ever just sit back and think to yourself " what the hell I'm talking about "? 🤣

What does this mean?

@Phil how can you refer to yourself as I while claiming there is no self ? Simple innocent question. No need for warning.

There you go again..

@Blessed2 happy for you bro . No ill feelings at all. Follow whatever resonates with ya .

@Phil you still believe no one exists ? Damn man that's so 2018 🤣🙏

That's ma boi🤙

@Phil he is deluded because of you . You are responsible for this . The strange dilemma that exists is that if we say life is a just a thought then we may be confining everything to being a perception being deciphered by our brain..and enter a mind/ body problem. Saying the whole world is a thought is no deferential than any other belief system. When you are sick you go to the fucking doctor..you don't say illness is a thought . ffs.

Wake up.

The shadow is the dark space that occurs when an object prevents the sunlight . Shadow work is running after the shadow (at the day ) and trying to catch your own shadow .

Interesting. Thanks . Well I kinda understand at the basic level that there is no separation in existence. Stuff only appear separate..but if you use a super computer's camera and zoom in into any boundary between two seemingly separate objects you will see that there is no fine line that distinguishes object (A) from object (B)..but then again ..that's the underlying truth ..not the deceptive appearance. And we as long as we are under the illusion (which only something like a psychedelic trip can break it ) then we should act in accordance with the appearance aka separation. @Phil you are certainly trolling at this point . Keep laughing with your wifey .