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19 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Which is exactly my point..there seems to be contradiction between claiming there is nobody doing anything and saying you create your dream life .

Well precisely.   That is the arrow in the dragons hide. The missing  piece of skin that was supposed to be armor.  Bilbo found that out.

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2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Then what is it that you've called "crap "? I talked about free will and consciously creating using a vision board 

 Is that what you  call crap ?

Certainly not conscious creating and a vision board.   I think that's awesome.....it's awesome for developing the self.  It's terrible for spirituality.   Spirituality is about no mind, no self.  But there is a duality here.  What I am pissed about is how he injects the Absolute everywhere...blindly.   while there is no self in the Absolute sense there is certainly a self that can dream and have a dreamboard.   

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1 minute ago, Someone here said:

Why are you calling it crap? Have you tried using a vision board yourself before judging? 

Two years ago I was on the brink of suicide because I didn't have a girlfriend and it was truly a thorn in my side ..but I used affirmations ..Loa..vision board and I attracted a girl in my college and fucked her brains out.. I have shared it on actialized ..I felt on top of the world 

.(although we broke up recently lol)

Don't call it crap just because you disagree.  Just say it doesn't resonate 

 Remember this is Phil's forum not yours ..so I if in your shoes I would not be so confronting and obnoxious..don't get surprised if he kicks you out. 

A vision board has nothing to do with what we are discussing.  He won't kick me out.  If he does - I'd be really disappointed in him 😔 

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7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

A quick question please..

If There is no doer ..how does free will fit into the big picture of conscious creating ? If there is nobody doing anything..that means the 'apparent' individual/human character is not in control of neither his thoughts nor his actions and thereby completely powerless as to how his life unfolds ..right?....but then you teach stuff like "you are the sole creator of reality ".."write your desires on the dreamboard " and wait for it to show up in your life ..how to bridge these two together? 

I know I've asked you this plenty in the past but its honestly fucking my mind hard lol😂 ..I can't get it .

 

Forget this crap man.  You are God.   Your will and God's will align.  It always has and it always will.  You may not see it now, from your finite perspective- but that is by design. 

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7 minutes ago, Phil said:

There might be an apparent experience of misunderstanding or lost, yet there’s no you / other which is misunderstanding or lost. 

 

Appearance. Inclusive of the apparent thoughts that there’s a you being asked what appearance is. 

 

Limitation isn’t found in perception or sensation. It’s a thought, a presumption about perception & sensation. The belief is dispelled by inspecting direct experience. 

 

Same for that belief, which is on behalf of “the knower”, the sep self of thoughts which is separate of consciousness and knows about consciousness. 

 

Again the separate self of thoughts (a self which isn’t, or is separate of, ‘the house’). Self is appearing as thought & perception, not finite separate selves & things. It only seems so in believing thoughts define perception. 

 

The lack projected is on behalf of a nonexistent self. Same as saying a unicorn can’t lift a house because a unicorn is limited consciousness. 

 

Infinite doesn’t have something because infinite is, infinite. 

“Your state of consciousness” is not on behalf of consciousness. It’s on behalf of a sep self of thoughts. 

Again, anthropomorphization. 

 

Figment: A thing that someone believes to be real but that exists only in their imagination.

Rhetoric: Language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.

 

The you of your house, your imagination, their imagination, etc is again the sep self of thoughts. 

Talking to you is hopeless.  You will stay asleep forever.  But then again - you're just in my imagination- so who really cares right?  

But seriously..dude..you have to really move beyond this no self obsession.   Of course there is no self - but you miss the most important aspect of reality when you dismiss the self.  The self may be an appearance- but what I was trying to eek out of you is that appearance is fucking reality!  There is none other than appearance so you might as well get used to it.  Keep spitting out this neo-advaita bullshit until you're on your death bed for all i care.  You will still be missing the mark.   But I guess God didn't mean to awaken everyone anyway.

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11 minutes ago, Phil said:

Appears. Doing, doer, is again thoughts on behalf of a separate self. (Anthropomorphization).  

 

Thinker is a presumed separate self which thinks. Thinker & thinks are experienced as apparent thoughts, not separate entities. 

 

Appearing isn’t limiting. Appearing is appearing. Limit is the apparent thought, limit. It’s on behalf of a separate self which knows about consciousness. That there is an “it” which “limits itself”. It’s not possible for infinite to limit, due to… the inherent infinitude. 

 

 

No no no.  This is not Anthropomorphization at all.  You are completely misunderstanding. Lost inside some type of no self ideology.   I'll ask you again- what is appearance?  And no - limitation is not a thought.    It is a specific state of Consciousness.   So - let's ask you this: can you lift your entire house right now with your bare hands?  Well, right now you can't.    But what if your state of Consciousness were to expand to an infinite state?  Would you then realize that your house was simply a figment of your imagination and thus does not need to be raised?  It would just seem silly at that point.  

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1 minute ago, Phil said:

Consciousness appears yet doesn’t become a who or a you. 

 

“It’s infinity” is being said on behalf of the separate self of thoughts for whom there is other, you or AI. 

It absolutely does - it incarnates into a who, or a you.  What do you think the magic of Consciousness or God is?

It is the ability to limit itself - to incarnate into a finite form and then look at the world from that perspective.  Its glorious.  Do you not see it?

 

It could be everything - but being everything doesn't allow you to peer through every corner of yourself - every aspect.

To do that - it needs to incarnate into a finite being that can see the world from one angle - otherwise, God can't explore every angle.

 

Right now its exploring the angle of Phil.  Maybe tomorrow it might explore the point of view of someone else.  But right now its Phil.

 

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47 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

For advaita vedanta, I prefer to say the Self is the qualityless (nondual) detached witness consciousness.  Saying it’s infinity makes it sound like it has qualities which entices the mind to attribute this or that to it.  The thought "I Am" is just a pointer and not needed once the Self is realised.   The not-Self can only be noticed when the Self is known.  I had to actually read Shankara and Maharshi to come to this pointer.  Otherwise, the Self and ego get conflated.  Solipsism is a good of example of this conflation.  Any "ism" is a thought and therefore ego.  Nothing wrong with thought if you have a clear realisation of the Self and can bring the "I thought" back into the Self so to speak.  When it points out you can turn it around and point it back in.  Just make sure you're not mistaking the mind for the Self because the mind is also "in".  The Self is not really in because in/out is a duality.

Excellent work.  But again you have seemed to put all of yourself into advaita vedanta.   It's not everything.  In fact you don't even need those words or the concept of advaita vedanta.  

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51 minutes ago, Phil said:

The you which could be missing the I am is the separate self of thoughts. Misidentified as a separate self it’s presumed there are other separate selves which lack is projected onto as in you are missing x, y or z. Again, spirituality which revolves around the separate self of thoughts. 

No. Consciousness is who I am addressing.   You are so behind.  Catch up. Or AI will do it for you.

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3 minutes ago, Phil said:

That I am is one sphere is a self referential thought, as if the I am were known, on behalf of a knower. 

 

The assumption is that “I am separate”, and “there are other separate selves”, and “you”, a separate self, have put “it” (the I am which is not me) “into the duality pool”, which is actually two spheres. 

You are missing the I am.  What did God say to Moses on the high mountain?

I am that I am.

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1 minute ago, James123 said:

I am is the biggest illusion itself. 

I also said isness.  I don't mean i in the sense of the ego.  I mean amness.  That's not a word.  Of course it's not. Language can't capture the Amness.

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3 minutes ago, Phil said:

The I am is one, infinite, not two... appearing as two (spheres), or amness being is isness. 

But awareness is the I am and you've put it into the duality pool. 

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3 minutes ago, Phil said:

Appearance. 

Me being two spheres. 

Only one sphere..the I am - or isness.  

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1 minute ago, Phil said:

Yes, exactly.

The separate self, the knower… of time, past lives, karmic content, a / the relative, a my consciousness, transcendence, other separate selves which transcend, and understanding… is actually an experience of apparent thoughts. 

 

None of those concepts pan out in perception or sensation. 

 

A separate self & a there are thoughts, which also don’t pan out in perception or sensation / there is no actual experience of either. There’s an apparent experience of the thoughts. 

 

The separate self is actually thoughts. 

But what really is an apparent experience?  What is appearance?

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1 minute ago, Robed Mystic said:

It's Infinity. 

 Nothing to know.  It is.  Did I have to use a feature of Infinity to grasp and answer you - yes.  Intelligence.   But that too is just as miraculous and as mysterious as a thought.   What the fuck is understanding?  You can spend your entire life trying to understand what understanding is and you never will.  Because it's simply Infinite 

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On 5/2/2024 at 4:00 AM, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

It might seem a nonsensical question but I truly wonder.

What really is a thought? Is it awareness but in a limited way? 

 

Because I have never 'seen' a thought.

 

Is just like a conceptual compression in consciousness.

 

Something really weird. 

It's Infinity.  Expressing itself.. 

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On 5/2/2024 at 4:00 AM, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

It might seem a nonsensical question but I truly wonder.

What really is a thought? Is it awareness but in a limited way? 

 

Because I have never 'seen' a thought.

 

Is just like a conceptual compression in consciousness.

 

Something really weird. 

It's Infinity. 

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On 5/2/2024 at 4:00 AM, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

It might seem a nonsensical question but I truly wonder.

What really is a thought? Is it awareness but in a limited way? 

 

Because I have never 'seen' a thought.

 

Is just like a conceptual compression in consciousness.

 

Something really weird. 

It's Infinity. 

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On 5/2/2024 at 4:00 AM, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

It might seem a nonsensical question but I truly wonder.

What really is a thought? Is it awareness but in a limited way? 

 

Because I have never 'seen' a thought.

 

Is just like a conceptual compression in consciousness.

 

Something really weird. 

It's Infinity. 

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2 minutes ago, Phil said:

Extract: 

Remove or take out, especially by effort or force.

"the decayed tooth will have to be extracted".

 

Obtain (something such as money or an admission).

 

Obtain (a substance or resource) from something by a special method.

 

The separate self is thoughts, not a who / thing which could be extracted or obtain. 

So the self is just thoughts but can't be extracted or obtained...so..then it's there as a thought?  If the self is thoughts then what are you?

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5 minutes ago, Phil said:

This is on behalf of the separate self of thoughts, which allegedly isn’t love / consciousness. 

 

For whom there is time. 

 

For whom suffering is pain. 

 

For whom there is karmic content. 

 

For whom there are others. 

The one who didn’t give her money; the one whom money was taken from. 

 

For whom there is the relative. 

 

For whom there is choice and karmic repetition. 

The one separate of consciousness, which has consciousness. 

 

For whom there is a past, past life and karmic memory. 

 

For whom yoga is useless.

The one who has / knows there are states of consciousness. 

The one knows thoughts are things which can be destroyed & destroyed is not a thought.  

 

The one who knows it has a life & this is not heaven. 

 

The one for whom there are kinds of thoughts, separate selves which are higher & lower, and not emotions. 

 

 

 

It seems spirituality can be interpreted in just such a way as to revolve around the separate self of thought. This is sometimes referred to as spiritual bypassing, aversion & suppression. 

So what remains when the who is extracted?

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10 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

From and advaita vedanta perspective, thought is exactly what leads you away from resting as the Self.  

Advaita Vedanta is very accurate indeed.  But don't get wrapped up in the concept of "advaita verdanta'...it can be turned into a religion. 

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25 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:

all this community is coming to life ...once i have the URL i will post it here..

 

Leo's shit forum is done for - its down and he runs it from his basement.  So we will continue to honor the spirit of Actualized.Org through my community.

I have created my community..it will be known as spiritualityunmasked.com coming to a theater near you.

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On 2/28/2024 at 11:40 AM, Robed Mystic said:

TrueSpirutality.org.

all this community is coming to life ...once i have the URL i will post it here..

 

Leo's shit forum is done for - its down and he runs it from his basement.  So we will continue to honor the spirit of Actualized.Org through my community.

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5 hours ago, Enlightened Cat said:

Nothing. It's about nothing. This is the thought! Try to see what a thought is about, without thinking! Thoughts simply aren't there until you start thinking they are.

 

This is like trying to get close to unicorns. You aren't a unicorn hunter. A unicorn hunter exists in the same realm as unicorns; thought. You can't get close to the contents of thought, unless you believe yourself to be inside of a thought.

Where does "karmic content", and "nucleus of pain" go, when you aren't thinking? Inspect it without thinking.
 

The thought appears as that. Subsequently, assumptions appear about this thought, and those assumptions are thoughts about the initial thought. The assumption is essentially that the initial thought isn't a thought, but that it actually points to something real. It's a house of thoughts/cards. Sit with that thought and watch it appear and disappear. Notice how the feeling is synonymous with the thought, and disappears with the thought.

You can't be inside of something you are viewing. You can't read a story while being in the story. 

 

Anything thought-related, is thought. No exceptions. Trace the thought back. When was it ever, not a thought?

 

This is a thought. Destroying thoughts is for unicorn hunters. In order to destroy thoughts, you must be thinking. You caught yourself in a catch-22! In order to hunt unicorns, you must be thinking of unicorns!
 

Watch the theory disappear when you stop thinking of it. Look at moments in your life where there are "lapses" in thoughts or period of "no thought." Like drifting into sleep, or immediately upon waking up. Notice the clarity and peacefulness before thoughts rush in and obstruct. Become obsessed with those moments. Look to observe them and recreate them.

 

Unicorns can't be understood. Just let them vanish. Understanding is the very perpetuation of unicorns. Understanding is the very perpetuation of said "karma."
 

Thought is nothing more than imagination.   And what is imagination but illusion.   Love the name by the way.   The enlightened cat represents the animal among us that rises above its culture to find awakening despite - despite all of the negative obstacles that attempt to prevent awakening.   It is the cat that ultimately prevails in finding God.