Manifestor-Manifesting-Manifestation; Thought, Feeling & Perception.

[Mandy]

@Isagi Yoichi Well, women is already the plural of woman.

 

[Isagi Yoichi]

1 minute ago, Mandy said:

@Isagi Yoichi Well, women is already the plural of woman.

 

 

So bitches?

[Mandy]

@Isagi Yoichi Does duo lingo have a lesson like...

 

woman- singular female

bitches - plural female? 

 

 

[Isagi Yoichi]

1 minute ago, Mandy said:

@Isagi Yoichi Does duo lingo have a lesson like...

 

woman- singular female

bitches - plural female? 

 

 

Lmao

 

women as many relationships or women as bitches like how @Someone here wants?

[Mandy]

@Isagi Yoichi I don't know what he wants, maybe he wanted me to be a bitch to him in this thread and to get so annoyed with me he wants to tell me to go f off?  Really could be anything really. Female dogs? I dunno. The more vulgar the language the more open the meaning is. The F word is a delightful example. No one really knows what you're talking about when you use it. 

[Someone here]

@Mandy I Think everyone knows exactly what he/she wants more than others do .thats kinda obvious. Who told you I'm being a sheep following what society thinks what does happiness looks like ?

@Isagi Yoichi BTW I apologise for the usage of the word "bitches ". It just goes to show you that most men are thinking with their dicks instead of their brains .

What i REALLY want is money and hot women .why not? Why not make a harem or become like Hugh hefner?  Anything unethical or "bad " about it ?

the thing is though ..im aware that its not gonna make me REALLY happpy..only a fleeting dopamine spikes ..like what you get from video games ..junk food ..porn etc

i have asked phil two questions..you are free to answer them if you want :

1-You can desire to go to London all you want..but unless you board the flight you can't move to London.

You CANNOT exist in 2 different realities AT THE SAME TIME. You're either in USA or in London (Desired state) at any given moment of time. You've to leave one to be in another.

Phil said in OP it's only thoughts that obscure that whatever Is desired is whatever is actually the case..wtf is this ?

2-no matter what you do..you will always want more . @Blessed2 desire is good or bad ? Desire I like spilling gasoline on fire .it keeps growing the more you feed it .I think this is obvious that a 16 yo teenager can understand. 

[Phil]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

@Phil okay thanks .

Just to keep on the most important point for me in what you said ..if fucking all the bitches in the world +trying all the drugs in the world +trying every cuisine +travelling the entire globe +owning every galaxy in the universe  will :⬇️

 

‘Adding, becoming, achieving, attaining, etc - beliefs - don’t add up to the truth, happiness, no matter the volume.’

 

Then what's the point of manifestation? What's the point of the dreamboard? What's the point of this thread ? What's the point of this whole section of the forum ?

I hope you don't get the impression that I'm just arguing aimlessly..I really want to resolve this one particular question and get to the bottom of this point . I'm actually convinced that all people are actually equal .whether you're married or not ..wealthy or not ..healthy or not ..it doesn't make much difference.  

Jobless people want to find a job .people with jobs hate their jobs .it's absurd 😂. Where is true 😊? 

It seems what’s overlooked is that what you’re saying is nonsense. 

 

It seems what you’re saying in reply is:

“If - and all these experiences & all this material stuff - will - (result in truth / happiness) - then what’s the point?

 

‘No matter the volume’. 

 

Essentially, the volume is being turned up. 

 

 What’s being said is ‘all these experiences & all this material stuff’ -  will not result in truth / happiness. 

 

So, it seems you’re ignoring / overlooking the point - by asking - what is the point. 

 

Specific concrete examples:

A guitar: The point is the experience of playing a guitar. 

A log cabin: The point is the experience of a log cabin.

Wife, kids, a house on an island, health & wealth - the point is the experience of wife, kids, a house on an island, health & wealth. 

 

Bear in mind, there was meditation, allowing emotional guidance, well-being & consciously creating what was actually wanted (allowing, manifesting). This has always been the case. There was conditioning released, but there was not conjecture to be released. So it never occurred to me that there is “a point”, beyond the experience or experiences mentioned, such as higher levels of understanding, awakenings, becoming enlightened, etc. It kinda just went from those personal beliefs just not being experienced, to seeing perfectly clearly those are personal beliefs. It might be those beliefs which seem to be “the point”, in overlooking their beliefs. 

 

[Blessed2]

Alignment is weird because when you're out of it, it seems like what you really really want is to fuck bitches and whatnot. But when you're in, all you want is just to go for a walk in a forest and hug a tree.

 

[Isagi Yoichi]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

 

@Isagi Yoichi BTW I apologise for the usage of the word "bitches ". It just goes to show you that most men are thinking with their dicks instead of their brains .

 

Why are you apologizing to me I don't give a f about the word I am just enjoying the show lol 

[ivankiss]

If you can make yourself cum without touching yourself, you can manifest anything. Common knowledge. 

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, Phil said:

It seems what’s overlooked is that what you’re saying is nonsense. 

 

It seems what you’re saying in reply is:

“If - and all these experiences & all this material stuff - will - (result in truth / happiness) - then what’s the point?

 

‘No matter the volume’. 

 

Essentially, the volume is being turned up. 

 

 What’s being said is ‘all these experiences & all this material stuff’ -  will not result in truth / happiness. 

 

So, it seems you’re ignoring / overlooking the point - by asking - what is the point. 

 

Specific concrete examples:

A guitar: The point is the experience of playing a guitar. 

A log cabin: The point is the experience of a log cabin.

Wife, kids, a house on an island, health & wealth - the point is the experience of wife, kids, a house on an island, health & wealth. 

 

Bear in mind, there was meditation, allowing emotional guidance, well-being & consciously creating what was actually wanted (allowing, manifesting). This has always been the case. There was conditioning released, but there was not conjecture to be released. So it never occurred to me that there is “a point”, beyond the experience or experiences mentioned, such as higher levels of understanding, awakenings, becoming enlightened, etc. It kinda just went from those personal beliefs just not being experienced, to seeing perfectly clearly those are personal beliefs. It might be those beliefs which seem to be “the point”, in overlooking their beliefs. 

 

Why does a kid go crazy when you take him/her to the candy store ? Why do you enjoy an ice cream? The only answer I could think of is "HAPPINESS ".  The "point " behind these activities is to feel happy and satisfied. Idk what do you mean that the point is the experience itself .If we are not splitting hairs here then we mean the same thing .

Here's the proplem I'm having: you have a wife..kids ..money ..big house ..multiple business..etc ..I don't have these things .but I desire these things ...why ? Because according to human standards and common sense without being unnecessarily flippant..these things make you feel happy .if you gonna argue over this point I'm out 😂..

Now ..what I'm saying is yes ..these things feel better than vomiting your kidney out because of a fucking virus infection ..so some experiences feel Good ..some experiences feel bad ..do I really need to say that? 

The crux of the issue is that while doing all these activities does undeniably make you happier..it doesn't make you truly happy . Are you aware of this or not ?

[Someone here]

@Isagi Yoichi because you stressed it out .

My apology was to also to Mandy .

[Phil]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

i have asked phil two questions..you are free to answer them if you want :

1-You can desire to go to London all you want..but unless you board the flight you can't move to London.

The synchronicity’s rockin today - I’m actually going to London in a few months.

But there’s no sep self in spacetime going anywhere at all. Being the spheres, I just make it seem so. I never actually move etc.

 

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

You CANNOT exist in 2 different realities AT THE SAME TIME. You're either in USA or in London (Desired state) at any given moment of time. You've to leave one to be in another.

Spacetime is a belief. You doesn’t / don’t exist in this or any reality. You, consciousness, the only entity there is, are presently appearing. But states (thoughts, beliefs) can make it seem so. Just as there’s no realty of  “two realities” -  there is no reality of (no direct experience of) of “two locations”, nor of a “desired state” which is compared to “this state”. In ‘your own’ direct experience - you’ve never left. There seems to be some confusion around states being real, or realties. Again - there just isn’t that confusion “here”, because it’s readily seen as a personal belief. 

 

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Phil said in OP it's only thoughts that obscure that whatever Is desired is whatever is actually the case..

wtf is this ?

Horrific misquoting. 😂 

 

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

2-no matter what you do..you will always want more .

There’s no “doer” - nor is there “more” - the underlying belief is of lack. The reality is wholeness. This is not a rehearsal for something else or some other forthcoming experience. 

[Mandy]

27 minutes ago, Someone here said:

 

I used to think like this I need to manifest my desire but this is a big illusion we don't need to manifest anything everything is already there you just need to experience it within and it will reflect withOUT.

👍 What appears is what you're believing or thinking about, it's a mirror. 

[Phil]

19 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Why does a kid go crazy when you take him/her to the candy store ? Why do you enjoy an ice cream? The only answer I could think of is "HAPPINESS ".  The "point " behind these activities is to feel happy and satisfied.

For “you”, which is of thoughts, yes. For me that is not the case. There’s no kid that goes crazy, that’s happiness. There’s no you which enjoys, that’s happiness. There’s no I which thinks, that’s happiness. There’s just these apparent experience(s), which is also happiness. 

 

19 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Idk what do you mean that the point is the experience itself .If we are not splitting hairs here then we mean the same thing .

Here's the proplem I'm having: you have a wife..kids ..money ..big house ..multiple business..etc ..I don't have these things .but I desire these things ...why ? Because according to human standards and common sense without being unnecessarily flippant..these things make you feel happy .if you gonna argue over this point I'm out 😂..

The “worst” aspect at play is there’s no one here. No one arguing. What seems to be happening is what’s always been inevitable -  the conjecture about happiness isn’t jiving with happiness, because it arises of suppression of emotions (feeling, happiness), and is naturally and rightfully emptying. Except that it isn’t allowed to, via distraction (the conjecture). Actually the “worst” aspect is probably the fact that it doesn’t make or amount to any actual difference. 

 

19 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Now ..what I'm saying is yes ..these things feel better than vomiting your kidney out because of a fucking virus infection ..so some experiences feel Good ..some experiences feel bad ..do I really need to say that? 

Good is nondual. 

 

19 minutes ago, Someone here said:

The crux of the issue is that while doing all these activities does undeniably make you happier..it doesn't make you truly happy . Are you aware of this or not ?

Happiness is infinite. Infinite means there are no things. That ‘you are aware of this’, as opposed to the truth, that you are being ‘This’, is again, the conjecture talkin. 

 

That there is a separate self which is sometimes happy and sometimes not, is the materialist paradigm. The conjecture (which is identified with and is being parroted) is essentially the materialist paradigm / egocentric illusory perspective, purported as spirituality & truth. The conviction is also instilled, the pride, vanity & arrogance (suffering) of ‘knowing’, ‘understanding this’, ‘being right’, so the notion of releasing or emptying the discord seems to be elusive, in spite of how it feels to ‘hold onto’ or continue to believe, let alone share. That just simply isn’t what’s being shared here. So, so to speak, ‘you’re’ in a bit of a weird ‘position’ here, as you can’t ask me to leave, while me is what’s refuted - and - sought. What a funny pickle, no?

[A Tim]

17 minutes ago, Someone here said:

The crux of the issue is that while doing all these activities does undeniably make you happier..it doesn't make you truly happy . Are you aware of this or not ?

 It overlooks the urge driving the behavior, which is manifested by a deep desire of/for..... what?

 

Lots of "awakened gurus" still followed 2Pac's advice. Soooo....maybe it is all bullshit.

 

To @ivankiss's point - one can manifest an orgasm without any action beyond that of mind. What drives that? Urge. What is the urge? Momentary satisfaction? If so, then why identify with the urge, which only brings momentary satisfaction? Why not identify with the urge that brings momentary satisfaction? meh. 

 

Don't identify with urge? These be murky waters ahead, matey. 

[A Tim]

Further to @ivankiss's point, this entire thread is mental ejaculation. Damn. 

[ivankiss]

@A Tim

 

[A Tim]

4 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@A Tim

 

Jeremiah Fucking Johnson. That brings me back. Look at that hair. Gatdayum that's one burly man. 

 

Dude's trying to run from himself and his past only to encounter new problems! WHAT?! The saga battling a whole freaking nation of Crow. Man was just trying to find peace!

 

"Come far."
"Feels like far."
"Were it worth the trouble?"

[Phil]

9 hours ago, Someone here said:

@Phil okay thanks .

Just to keep on the most important point for me in what you said ..if fucking all the bitches in the world +trying all the drugs in the world +trying every cuisine +travelling the entire globe +owning every galaxy in the universe  will :⬇️

Then what's the point of manifestation? What's the point of the dreamboard? What's the point of this thread ? What's the point of this whole section of the forum ?

I hope you don't get the impression that I'm just arguing aimlessly..I really want to resolve this one particular question and get to the bottom of this point . I'm actually convinced that all people are actually equal .whether you're married or not ..wealthy or not ..healthy or not ..it doesn't make much difference.  

Jobless people want to find a job .people with jobs hate their jobs .it's absurd 😂. Where is true 😊? 

Somewhere in there is some semblance of what’s wanted. Self-respect would be square one. 

 

The premise is…

On 10/16/2024 at 9:01 AM, Phil said:

what’s wanted already very literally exists in feeling, and is appearing, manifesting as perception. Thoughts & beliefs allow - “speeds up” - or inhibits - “slows down” - the manifestation. 

‘The stuff’, as in the actual experience. Perception, sensation, ‘in the flesh’. 

So is ‘the most important point’ wanted, or ‘the stuff’? If ‘the stuff’ - ‘the most important point’ is slowing the manifestation.

Is ‘the point of manifestation’ wanted…

Is ‘the point of the dreamboard’ wanted…

Is ‘the point of this thread’ wanted…

Is ‘the point of this whole section of the forum’ wanted…

Is ‘hope, validation, not much difference, where is true’ wanted…

 

See how this works? 

What’s wanted already exists in feeling and is already manifesting as perception. Not existentially or philosophically - literally. 

Are thoughts slowing it down or speeding it up?