Isagi Yoichi Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, Phil said: How so? What’s “knowing”? I am pure knowing, independent of the content of the known. I am the knowing with which all experience is known. I am the experience of being aware or awareness itself which knows and underlies all experience. Pure knowing, being aware or awareness itself is the essential ingredient of mind – the ever-present, subjective, knowing essence of mind, independent of its always-changing, objective content of thoughts, feelings, sensations and perceptions. Being aware or awareness itself is the knowing in all that is known, the experiencing in all experience. Quote Mention for coding & software engineering services message me on discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 6 minutes ago, Phil said: Who or what knows, awareness is a “thing”, and isn’t not a thing, and knows what awareness is and or isn’t capable of? noone Quote Mention for coding & software engineering services message me on discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 10 minutes ago, Isagi Yoichi said: the experience of being aware, or the knowledge ‘I am’, ‘I am aware’ or ‘There is awareness’ is awareness’s knowledge of itself. Only awareness knows that there is awareness. Only awareness is aware. As such, awareness is self-aware. Just as all objects on earth are illuminated by the sun but the sun alone is self-luminous, so all experience is known by awareness, but awareness itself is self-knowing. Thus, it is awareness’s experience that it is continuously or, more accurately, eternally aware. Knowledge in accordance with the definition, is a condition. Knowledge in accordance with direct experience, is a condition. 4 minutes ago, Isagi Yoichi said: I am pure knowing, independent of the content of the known. I am the knowing with which all experience is known. I am the experience of being aware or awareness itself which knows and underlies all experience. Pure knowing, being aware or awareness itself is the essential ingredient of mind – the ever-present, subjective, knowing essence of mind, independent of its always-changing, objective content of thoughts, feelings, sensations and perceptions. Being aware or awareness itself is the knowing in all that is known, the experiencing in all experience. Conditions. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 14 minutes ago, Isagi Yoichi said: noone 24 minutes ago, Isagi Yoichi said: the experience of being aware, or the knowledge ‘I am’, ‘I am aware’ or ‘There is awareness’ is awareness’s knowledge of itself. Only awareness knows that there is awareness. Only awareness is aware. As such, awareness is self-aware. Just as all objects on earth are illuminated by the sun but the sun alone is self-luminous, so all experience is known by awareness, but awareness itself is self-knowing. Thus, it is awareness’s experience that it is continuously or, more accurately, eternally aware. 18 minutes ago, Isagi Yoichi said: I am pure knowing, independent of the content of the known. I am the knowing with which all experience is known. I am the experience of being aware or awareness itself which knows and underlies all experience. Pure knowing, being aware or awareness itself is the essential ingredient of mind – the ever-present, subjective, knowing essence of mind, independent of its always-changing, objective content of thoughts, feelings, sensations and perceptions. Being aware or awareness itself is the knowing in all that is known, the experiencing in all experience. No one knows this ‘stuff’? 🙂 Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 4 minutes ago, Phil said: No one knows this ‘stuff’? 🙂 "Advanced stuff" Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 ♥️ Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, Phil said: No one knows this ‘stuff’? 🙂 Who knows? Quote Mention for coding & software engineering services message me on discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 4 hours ago, Phil said: Awareness is not aware of itself. I don't understand lol What is aware then? Quote Mention for coding & software engineering services message me on discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 hours ago, Isagi Yoichi said: Who or what knows, awareness is a “thing”, and isn’t not a thing, and knows what awareness is and or isn’t capable of? Awareness Quote Mention for coding & software engineering services message me on discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 hours ago, Phil said: Knowledge in accordance with direct experience, is a condition. This means that awareness is limited. Quote Mention for coding & software engineering services message me on discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 5 hours ago, Isagi Yoichi said: This means that awareness is limited. How so? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, Phil said: How so? bec only awareness can know itself therefore awareness knowing of itself cannot be limited or conditioned as there isn't something that can know it other than it @Phil is there a knowledge that isn't in accordance with direct exp? (conditioned) Edited March 15 by Isagi Yoichi Quote Mention for coding & software engineering services message me on discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Isagi Yoichi said: bec only awareness can know itself therefore awareness knowing of itself cannot be limited or conditioned as there isn't something that can know it other than it Awareness is itself. 1 hour ago, Isagi Yoichi said: @Phil is there a knowledge that isn't in accordance with direct exp? (conditioned) I don’t mean knowledge is conditioning or conditioned. More that there is knowledge is a condition. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 It’s really about self-realization, the truth and the true nature of awareness. Knowledge is appearance of the world-sphere, experienced as it were via the lens-sphere. If there is knowledge or knowing, then ‘awareness is aware’ is therein knowledge or knowing, as opposed to being (without any facade of knowledge or knowing). As far as inquiring away desires, it’s only the self conceptualization of there being a separate self and it’s desires which ‘goes’, which is to say, it’s only the discord & resistance of the self conceptualization / ignore-ance which ‘goes’, while the actuality of self / reality of course, remains as what is already the case. Preferences still appear as Creator-Creating-Creation, yet aren’t conceptualized as separate finite things or possessions (my, mine). The corresponding ‘stuff & relationships of perception’ so to speak is being attracted already, and un-conceptualizing self is merely an allowing, a ‘not getting in the way’. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 8 hours ago, Phil said: It’s really about self-realization, the truth and the true nature of awareness. Knowledge is appearance of the world-sphere, experienced as it were via the lens-sphere. If there is knowledge or knowing, then ‘awareness is aware’ is therein knowledge or knowing, as opposed to being (without any facade of knowledge or knowing). I should stop quoting stuff from Spira books until I self realize lol Quote Mention for coding & software engineering services message me on discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, Isagi Yoichi said: until I self realize lol there is no self to realize lol wtf I am saying Quote Mention for coding & software engineering services message me on discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 @Ceejay sorry bro i ruined your thread Quote Mention for coding & software engineering services message me on discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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