Ceejay Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 In the attempt to "empty myself of thoughts/beliefs" I bump into fantasties/desires, which I could spell out to myself. Then I could ask them the Byron Katie set of questions like: Is it true? What happens when I believe this thought? etc. For example: I want to move to another city and meet new people. Is it true? What happens when I believe this thought? Why do I want to do it? Who wants to move to another city and meet new people? .... Such questions tends to descontruct the subject and the object. Therefore, dissolving the very desire itself. If the very desire itself is dissolved in the inquiry of it, is that a good sign (that there is nothing then to write on the dreamboard at that time)? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 “Nothing’s happening” is often heard as “there’s nothing to do”. Why is that? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceejay Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 2 minutes ago, Phil said: “Nothing’s happening” is often heard as “there’s nothing to do”. Why is that? Because there is no one to do and nothing to be done The some one who would do anything is a subject. And something there to be done is the object. I don't know, if this resolves my original question. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 14 minutes ago, Ceejay said: Because there is no one to do and nothing to be done This is what’s being pointed to, happening. (When it’s said “nothing’s happening”, often it seems it’s heard as “there’s nothing to do” / “there’s nothing to be done”.) 14 minutes ago, Ceejay said: The some one who would do anything is a subject. Sure but what is the actuality of a subject? 14 minutes ago, Ceejay said: And something there to be done is the object. And an object as well? 14 minutes ago, Ceejay said: I don't know, if this resolves my original question. Then it doesn’t. Our aim here is not half ass satisfaction and manifesting. It’s absolute. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, Ceejay said: If the very desire itself is dissolved in the inquiry of it, is that a good sign (that there is nothing then to write on the dreamboard at that time)? Desires being written and manifesting is truly nothing happening. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceejay Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, Phil said: Sure but what is the actuality of a subject? Nothing. 2 hours ago, Phil said: And an object as well? Nothing. 2 hours ago, Phil said: When it’s said “nothing’s happening”, often it seems it’s heard as “there’s nothing to do” / “there’s nothing to be done”. Maybe the implications of the statement "nothing's happening" is not getting fully felt and/or fully explicated. 2 hours ago, Phil said: Then it doesn’t. Our aim here is not half ass satisfaction and manifesting. It’s absolute. Which is unalloyed happiness without subject and object. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceejay Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, Phil said: Desires being written and manifesting is truly nothing happening. I don't understand what you actually mean by "nothing happening". You use it very often. Can you rephrase it, whilst retaining the intended meaning? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, Ceejay said: Maybe the implications of the statement "nothing's happening" is not getting fully felt and/or fully explicated. If subjects and objects are nothing, what else is there? 2 hours ago, Ceejay said: Which is unalloyed happiness without subject and object. Totally. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, Ceejay said: I don't understand what you actually mean by "nothing happening". You use it very often. Can you rephrase it, whilst retaining the intended meaning? I is actually nothing, happening. Understand, understander, understanding, are actually nothing happening. Meaning, is actually nothing happening. Take a look around. That’s what I’m talking about. This is, nothing happening. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 On 2/26/2024 at 10:53 PM, Phil said: If subjects and objects are nothing, what else is there? Awareness Quote Mention for coding & software engineering services message me on discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 8 hours ago, Isagi Yoichi said: Awareness Exactly! 🙂 Awareness is not a thing. Thing is the thought, thing… and no thing, awareness, is appearing as, said “thought”. But what is the essential essence, the true nature, of awareness? And what is the ultimate truth of, “awareness”? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 11 minutes ago, Phil said: But what is the essential essence, the true nature, of awareness? existence 11 minutes ago, Phil said: And what is the ultimate truth of, “awareness”? eternal awareness Quote Mention for coding & software engineering services message me on discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 32 minutes ago, Isagi Yoichi said: existence Existence is an apparent transient phenomenon. The essential essence of being isn’t apparent, transient or a phenomenon. 32 minutes ago, Isagi Yoichi said: eternal awareness Eternal awareness is a transient conceptual framework. The Truth is not these things. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 57 minutes ago, Phil said: But what is the essential essence, the true nature, of awareness? The nature of awareness is awareness, awareness aware of itself. Quote Mention for coding & software engineering services message me on discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 10 minutes ago, Isagi Yoichi said: The nature of awareness is awareness, awareness aware of itself. Awareness is not aware of itself. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, Phil said: Awareness is not aware of itself. How? Quote Mention for coding & software engineering services message me on discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 @Isagi Yoichi How is awareness not aware of itself? How can the tip of this finger not point to the tip of this finger? How can this tongue not taste this tongue? How can desire not desire desire? Does how apply to what… isn’t? How is it there aren’t unicorns? Perhaps the question is… how or why does it seem like awareness is or could be aware of itself. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Phil said: why does it seem like awareness is or could be aware of itself. bec awareness is the only "thing" thats capable of knowing Edited March 14 by Isagi Yoichi Quote Mention for coding & software engineering services message me on discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 the experience of being aware, or the knowledge ‘I am’, ‘I am aware’ or ‘There is awareness’ is awareness’s knowledge of itself. Only awareness knows that there is awareness. Only awareness is aware. As such, awareness is self-aware. Just as all objects on earth are illuminated by the sun but the sun alone is self-luminous, so all experience is known by awareness, but awareness itself is self-knowing. Thus, it is awareness’s experience that it is continuously or, more accurately, eternally aware. Quote Mention for coding & software engineering services message me on discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 6 minutes ago, Isagi Yoichi said: bec awareness is the only "thing" thats capable of knowing How so? What’s “knowing”? Who or what knows, awareness is a “thing”, and isn’t not a thing, and knows what awareness is and or isn’t capable of? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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