James123 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Enlightenment is just the realization that the monkey mind was never there, which is an illusion. Therefore, there is no such a thing as thought. Just simply being as always . Thats all. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) People are always gonna debate on what enlightenment is, because there isn't actually a solid state called enlightenment. I wanna add, your definition resonates, but of course it's incomplete due to language. In my experience enlightenment is more mysterious and Living/energetic. Edited May 15 by Orb Quote Mention "I shall give you what no eye has seen, and what no ear has heard, and what no hand has touched, and what has never entered into the human heart. "-Jesus (Gospel of Thomas) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 Just now, Orb said: People are always gonna debate on what enlightenment is, because there isn't actually a solid state called enlightenment. Easy. Just forget everything you know. No one can debate it. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 2 minutes ago, James123 said: Easy. Just forget everything you know. That's always the case though, forgetting = letting go. No one can stop it or even "remember" in the first place. Quote Mention "I shall give you what no eye has seen, and what no ear has heard, and what no hand has touched, and what has never entered into the human heart. "-Jesus (Gospel of Thomas) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 I'm debating for no reason 😂. Told you this will get debated! Quote Mention "I shall give you what no eye has seen, and what no ear has heard, and what no hand has touched, and what has never entered into the human heart. "-Jesus (Gospel of Thomas) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 7 minutes ago, Orb said: I'm debating for no reason 😂. Told you this will get debated! So i can tell you this, enlightenment is something which is absolutely true. What can be absolutely true? Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) 10 minutes ago, James123 said: So i can tell you this, enlightenment is something which is absolutely true. What can be absolutely true? 🤔 Sensation. Absolute truth meaning: is always the case no matter what, if we're on the same page in that regard, then yes, the closest pointer to absolute truth is Sensation/Feeling. Edited May 15 by Orb Quote Mention "I shall give you what no eye has seen, and what no ear has heard, and what no hand has touched, and what has never entered into the human heart. "-Jesus (Gospel of Thomas) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 1 minute ago, Orb said: 🤔 Sensation. Absolute truth meaning: is always the case no matter what, if we're on the same page in that regard, then yes, the closest pointer to absolute truth is Sensation/Feeling. Sure. The feeling is something that is learned, right? So how can you be %100 sure that there is such a thing as feeling. For example, if you never learn what is selfie is, will it be exist for you? Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) 5 minutes ago, James123 said: Sure. The feeling is something that is learned, right? So how can you be %100 sure that there is such a thing as feeling. Sensation/Feeling can't actually be known, a thought can arise about someone knowing what sensation is but that would just be a thought sensation is appearing as. In fact the more sensation is felt into, the less "knowing" arises. Also, anyone can verify this, just focus on any sensation and try to "know" it or know what it is, it's impossible. Edited May 15 by Orb Quote Mention "I shall give you what no eye has seen, and what no ear has heard, and what no hand has touched, and what has never entered into the human heart. "-Jesus (Gospel of Thomas) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 28 minutes ago, Orb said: Sensation/Feeling can't actually be known, a thought can arise about someone knowing what sensation is but that would just be a thought sensation is appearing as. In fact the more sensation is felt into, the less "knowing" arises. Also, anyone can verify this, just focus on any sensation and try to "know" it or know what it is, it's impossible. İf there is no such as thing as word of "pain". What that feeling will be? Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, James123 said: İf there is no such as thing as word of "pain". What that feeling will be? To be clear, there is feeling, but feeling isn't anything. Nothingness is the same as feeling. Quote Mention "I shall give you what no eye has seen, and what no ear has heard, and what no hand has touched, and what has never entered into the human heart. "-Jesus (Gospel of Thomas) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted May 16 Author Share Posted May 16 6 hours ago, Orb said: To be clear, there is feeling, but feeling isn't anything. Nothingness is the same as feeling. “Belief” only barrier to realization of enlightenment. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 I would simplify it further by saying: Wherever you go, there you are. Its really all about Presence. Enlightenment is Ever-presence. Quote Mention If you immediately know the candlelight is fire, then the meal was cooked a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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