How does the believing of thoughts effect the body?

[Eternal]

I want to understand better what causes hair loss, heart attacks and many other illnesses. For example when someone gets told they have cancer and going to die soon, and people actually end up passing away after. It's like after someone hears something bad, then they get stuck in negative thought loops regarding the disease or. illness? 

 

For example, it is common that stress causes hairloss but why does believing a thought about something affect the physical body? 

 

What is the process behind it and how exactly does it happen? 

[Mandy]

We may have been conditioned to think of as the body, as it being being physical or material or our identification with its form isn't the actuality of it. It makes sense that the body would stand to "take" the most of the brunt of the misunderstanding of the materialist paradigm. We have feeling guidance, and when that is perpetually disregarded, sometimes it manifests in illness or appears in some way in the body. Taking this be be a failing of fault of our own, would be yet another example of the abuse of ignore-ance. 

 

So often when we touch or think of our body, we objectify it. Reiki can be a powerful practice to stop objectifying oneself and others. Coincidently in the ceasing of objectifying, there is healing. 

 

Louise Hay has a lot of information about specific manifestations of disease and possible thought patterns that may be perpetuating them. 

[Phil]

On 2/1/2023 at 11:02 AM, Eternal said:

I want to understand better what causes hair loss, heart attacks and many other illnesses. For example when someone gets told they have cancer and going to die soon, and people actually end up passing away after. It's like after someone hears something bad, then they get stuck in negative thought loops regarding the disease or. illness? 

That they get stuck in negative thought loops is what a thought loop is. Believing one is “in” the thoughts, while one is aware of thoughts. 

 

On 2/1/2023 at 11:02 AM, Eternal said:

For example, it is common that stress causes hairloss but why does believing a thought about something affect the physical body? 

Physical body is a belief. 

 

On 2/1/2023 at 11:02 AM, Eternal said:

 

What is the process behind it and how exactly does it happen? 

Believing thoughts instead of feeling. 

[Eternal]

16 hours ago, Phil said:

That they get stuck in negative thought loops is what a thought loop is. Believing one is “in” the thoughts, while one is aware of thoughts. 

 

Physical body is a belief. 

 

Believing thoughts instead of feeling. 

@Phil

 

Yes, but how does believing thoughts cause illness and disease and why does conceptualization happen? is it emotional supression? 

Edited February 7, 2023 by Eternal

[Phil]

On 2/7/2023 at 6:56 AM, Eternal said:

@Phil

 

Yes, but how does believing thoughts cause illness and disease?

It stands to first be considered that the very language used to ask the question… the very definitions of the words used, have been “recontextualized” as connotations, beliefs, to accommodate the belief that there are “separate things” and “separate selves”. Then the belief which follows is that these “separate selves”, by believing thoughts, cause these “separate things”, such as illness and disease, by believing thoughts. 

 

Because there are not separate things, there are not separate selves which cause separate things. There is nonetheless the The Immutable Law of Cause & Effect, which is derivative of & indicative of The Immutable Law of Divine Oneness.

 

If ‘illness’ and ‘disease’ are not separate things, which separate selves have, or get or cause, then what are ‘they’? Or more precisely, if the words (before being “recontextualized”) don’t point to separate selves & things, what do the words “how does believing thoughts cause illness & disease” really point to? … “how do discordant thoughts create an experience of: illness and disease?”

 

Essentially the words ‘illness’ & ‘disease’ point to experience which is not indicative of the nature of the creator. 

“Experience” is also not a “separate thing”. Experience is a vibrational appearance of & as, the creator. 

You are The Creator. 

You are vibrationally appearing as the whole, the entirety of “experience”. 

 

As Jim Newman says, truly, “it” is This. 

 

You (infinite being) are creating your reality (vibrational appearance) regardless of wether you believe, know or understand you are, or wether you believe, know or understand you are not. You Are as surely and readily as I Am. 

 

 

When you (the creator) focus on thoughts which are felt to be not indicative of yourself (the creator) - you are creating & feeling the discord therein; experience which is not indicative of yourself.  As infinite being, you, you’re infinitely unbound, and therein you’re absolutely free to ‘do’ ‘that’. It isn’t ‘wrong’, as there is no “second” or  “separate self” which could judge infinite being, or which could determine any “thing” to be “wrong”… but again, you, infinite being, nonetheless feel the discord therein. 

 

It’s most paramount that knowing & understanding are an illusion of believing thoughts. Thought attachment, monkey mind. When infinite being believes it knows or understands, it seems like there is a “separate self”; “the knower” or “the understander”, while in truth there is one infinite being, and therein there is no “second thing” for one infinite being to know or understand. One infinite being is appearing as thoughts, and in believing the thoughts it’s appearing as, believes it is a separate self, via “knowing” and “understanding”. Then the false identity, or “ego” obscures infinite being from itself, and it’s own true nature & infinitude, believing it is, a separate self. The “one who knows” or the “one who understands”. This is (experientially) what delusion & insanity point to. 

 

Consider what ‘health’ meant, before the definition was hijacked by the belief in separate selves.

Health originally meant ‘wholeness, a being whole, sound or well’. 

And ‘illness’ meant ‘malevolent, hurtful’. 

And ‘disease’ meant ‘discomfort & distress of (believing in) lack’. 

 

Then consider the materialist’s survival paradigm of the separate self. It sounds like ‘you (the separate self) just need to man up’, ‘there just is suffering in life and you (the separate self) have to push through it’, ‘you (the separate self) need a life purpose’, ‘you (the separate self) don’t value x’, ‘you (the separate self) don’t know what I (a separate self) know’, or ‘you (the separate self) don’t understand what I (a separate self) understand’, ‘you (the separate self) are lower than me (a separate self), ‘you (the separate self) are lacking in x, y or z’ in comparison to me (a separate self), etc, etc. This is of course toxic to well being, as it all arises of ignorance. This is what ignore-ance is. What’s ignored is how discordant the beliefs feel. 

 

There aren’t separate things which cause separate things. That cause & effect pertains to things is apparently a common misnomer, which arises from the original definitions of words being changed to accommodate beliefs, which then arise and function as suppression of, the discord felt, of the recontxtualization. 

 

 

As Byron Katie once said, when you believe - you ‘be leaving’ Being. Not as in there is a separate self, a “you”, or, “a believer”, which is not infinite being, and therein could actually or literally leave infinite being. As in, you are infinite being, and when believing thoughts which do not feel indicative of the nature of yourself, as Esther Hicks says it’s as if you’re ‘pinching yourself off’, from the source. From yourself. Not your self. Yourself. Yourself which is vibrationally appearing, aka, creating. Simply, infinite self. The only self there is. 

 

There are not two sources of vibrational appearance / creation. There is one source. The one source has a nature, and it is whole, goodness, sound, and well. 

 

So believing discordant thoughts doesn’t cause things; illness and disease, it creates an experience, which is then labeled as if separate things; illness & disease. As if these were separate things, for a separate self. As if these separate things were “not you”.

 

So the question more accurately sounds like “how does believing discordant thoughts create these discordant separate things, which are not me?”.

And the answer of course is that it doesn’t. 

 

Discord is what “illness” and “disease” are, when momentum of discordant beliefs is recognized. We’re not talking about separate physical things, we’re talking about a vibrational appearance which is you, which you are appearing as. 

 

You’re creating no matter what you ‘do’, ‘think’ or ‘say’. You’re not causing any ‘thing’, you’re not creating any ‘thing’, no matter what you do, think or say. You are ‘an’ infinite being, and the question is what are you creating - right now - as & of, yourself. The question is of alignment with the nature you are (happiness).  The only worthwhile question is so to speak, ‘how can I be more aligned’, which is like questioning the coming and going of unhappiness, and how this experience of, is related to, a “separate self”. (Which ‘it’ isn’t actually). 

 

 

Believing discordant thoughts, thoughts which are discordant as in not indicative of the nature of the source vibrationally appearing as ‘the body’, and are felt as such, is just like how holding a hand on a hot stove is felt as such. Would you ever hold a hot coal in your hand while asking “how does holding a burning coal burn my hand?” You wouldn’t wait for the right theory, understanding, sermon, explanation, philosophy, or even instructions. As ‘infinite intelligence’, you’d just remove your hand form the hot stove. But the hot stove isn’t manipulative. It doesn’t talk. The hot stove doesn’t convince you that it is worthwhile to hold your hand on it, nor that there is meaning, value, worth or purpose in the burn. 

 

 

There isn’t a past in which a body was born and time passing in which a body grows. The body is a right-now-only vibrational appearance. 

 

Think of a light switch. It’s on or off. Now think of a dimmer light switch. It doesn’t work in the ‘on or off’ manor, it’s a knob which when turned down reduces the flow of electricity to the bulb, and when turned up increases the flow of electricity to the bulb. Now imagine the electricity is what’s appearing as “the bulb”. That “the bulb” is actually a vibrational appearance of the electricity. 

 

Discordant thoughts are like turning the knob down. Aligned thoughts are like turning the knob up. 

 

Discordant thoughts don’t cause illness. Discordant thoughts are what illness is. 

 

As Eckhart Tolle once said, “the thought of other is already a thought of violence”. 

You are the creator of reality. Not in a ‘big bang’ like ‘past event’ way, just right now. In the simplest of the simplest manor. 

[Kevin]

5 hours ago, Phil said:

Discord is what “illness” and “disease” are, when momentum of discordant beliefs is recognized. We’re not talking about separate physical things, we’re talking about a vibrational appearance which is you, which yo are appearing as. 

This seems very important. Illness is when the momentum of discordant beliefs is recognized. It sounds like the illness is almost some kind of purification?

[Phil]

33 minutes ago, Kevin said:

This seems very important. Illness is when the momentum of discordant beliefs is recognized. It sounds like the illness is almost some kind of purification?

It could be a ‘wake up call’, but purification is basically opposite to illness. 

[Kevin]

39 minutes ago, Phil said:

It could be a ‘wake up call’, but purification is basically opposite to illness. 

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