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Blessed2
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What makes sense to me is that birth and death really is just a dream, and death has no function in terms of ending or concluding the dream in any way. It's just "more" of the same birth-death dream.
In terms of ending the dream / uncovering Truth, the only function death could have is IMO to look at what role it plays in the dream, and contemplating what it might be designed to veil. Sort of like: "If a life of birth and death was the opposite of true life, what would looking at the role of birth & death in this life tell me about true life?"
That's a fun contemplative trick that can really open the mind. It can be also be done with money for example. If money was actually the opposite of true abundance, and it's function was actually to perfectly veil truth of infinite abundance, what would looking at money tell you about true abundance?
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5 hours ago, Jane said:
What thought believes death to be , is not what death is, because death is never an experience, so nothing can be said about it, or known.
Maybe. It may also be that there just is no such thing as death, and so there isn't really thoughts about death either. But that death is a thought.
5 hours ago, Jane said:Death is simply a human concept, and if that means anything at all, it means the cessation of the separate self, the ( I ) or ( me ) thought.
Not a human concept IMO. Death is a dualistic concept. And human is also a dualistic concept.
It might not be a cessation of the I-though either. For example, "when I'll be dead...", "I will die" etc. I think that death is actually a continuation of the separate self of thought.
This is what the pointing/teaching/message of reincarnation might point to.
Kind of how there might be a glimpse to the true nature of reality / "no-self", but that glimpse is swiftly claimed by the activity of ego and then it seems like the glimpse is something that happened to me, in time. "I woke up".
The "me" is not going anywhere in "my death".
If death is actually just a thought, does that thought go anywhere even if death seems to happen? How could death make the belief in death disappear?
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13 hours ago, Someone here said:
This assumes you know what death is ..which is superfluous because you haven't die yet .
What if I know what life is? 🙂
What you're saying BTW is that there is something in death that cannot be in life, that is: knowing, certainty, truth.
Death-worship.
It really is one hell of a pickle.
What does the concept of fear of death bring to mind? Is it something you must overcome perhaps? Is it some kind of an ultimate existential pickle? Terror, even? Keeping you awake at night?
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One of the few thoughts about death that are not totally insane is that there is nothing in death that cannot be in life.
Like for example, happiness, peace, freedom, release, rest, innocence, forgiveness, atonement, redemption. All of these are fully available in life. There is nothing in death that cannot be in life.
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1 hour ago, Phil said:
The ultimate love has to sacrifice/veil itself.
Love has needs now?
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1 hour ago, Jane said:
So there is no sacrifice, and the Jesus death was not a sacrifice, rather, it was more of an ego death? Which is the entrance into Nonduality…. Perhaps?
I'm not sure what you're asking 🤔
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20 hours ago, Jane said:
I’ve often wondered why some people in the world feel suicidal even when they don’t actually act on it.
Cause there's a belief that death, and fear of death has some kind of an important, meaningful function.
The largest religion in the world is actually death-worship. Why does someone have to die for sins? Why doesn't just making a cool skateboard trick pay for all sin?
The ego confuses love with sacrifice, so that the ultimate love would require ultimate sacrifice.
20 hours ago, Jane said:Are people who feel suicidal whether they act on it or not; are they just experimenting with a form of Emptying albeit a radical extreme form of Emptying.
No. The opposite. Death isn't an emptying of anything. It's an add-ing.
The belief that death or suicide could be some kind of emptying, a return to god, a healing, a union, a release, is death-worship.
20 hours ago, Jane said:Do some people just realise the purpose of the game of life is to end the game? Maybe because they’ve glimpsed the true emptiness of it all?
Death isn't an end to the game. It's just more of the game. Again, death-worship.
The cultural story of mankind is pretty much that something is wrong, and someone has to die to make it right. First it was animals. Didn't work. Then it was random people and maybe kids. Didn't work. Then it was the Son of God himself. That doesn't really seem to be working either... Who next?
Death is a projection of a mind that buys into duality. It's a tool of the ego it uses to supplement for God.
First there is a pre-assumption that separation is the case. Then what follows is the belief that two must be united to regain unity. That something needs to happen, or be done to make two into one. And that comes with a shadow of fear.
Non-duality states that nothing needs to be made into one or united, because separation has never occured in the first place. In fact, unity or oneness would actually be doubling down on separation.
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Day 10.
2 x 30 monutes done.
Walk done
Gym done
No drinking.
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https://m.imdb.com/title/tt27503384/
That's pretty much what I'd call 'perfect', or what would fulfill all the "shoulds" I impose on myself. What my life should be like. What I think my parents would probably want my life to be like. In a sense also what I'd want for it to be like. But it's a pie in the sky really.
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"Always remain open to grace."
Basically, a new, better feeling thought can appear any time. A thought that changes everything. A new idea. A new possibility.
In fact, if you only remember this, that new thought has already come.
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Yesterday I learned that I have a huge red birth mark on the back of my neck.
I always thought I didn't have any birthmarks. I kind of just tought of myself as a person who doesn't have birth marks.
But apparently I do, and I've been walking around with a huge red mark in my neck, and everyone else has seen it, but I've been ignorant of it all these years. I wonder what that symbolizes.
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3 minutes ago, Phil said:
Call one. No?
I already did. There is a spesific hospital I have to call to which is determined by where I live. I can't be a client to other hospitals.
I will probably call them again soon. They probably just didn't get the full picture.
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1 minute ago, Phil said:
What would you be seeing the doctor for?
Basically, mainly for bureucratic reasons. To get the note for therapy is one of the main things I want.
10 minutes ago, Phil said:The episodes from quitting the pills cold turkey?
This is what the other professionals I met first suggested. Because of the psychotic episode in the past, they said it's essential and acute that I see a psychiatrist asap. But the doctor seems to disagree on that.
12 minutes ago, Phil said:Did the doctor suggest to do that?
I don't have any doctor to suggest anything. 😂 I got the prescription over 2 years ago, and since I've moved to a new city and I'm not in contact to a doctor here.
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17 minutes ago, Reena said:
@Blessed2 can you cheat with the pills?
I thought of the same thing, but that would be kind of a hassle.
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4 minutes ago, Phil said:
Go to the doctor, like they told you to, and get the note. Right?
That's what I tried to do, but the doctor didn't take me cause I had quit pills and wasn't interested in continuing or changing medication.
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15 minutes ago, Phil said:
Psychologists do therapy. Psychiatrists write & manage prescriptions. Doctor’s never advise quitting psychiatric medications cold turkey.
Yeah. But the doctor gives the note that would give me an access to financially supported therapy. Without that doctor's note, I would have to pay the therapy myself entirely and that's not possible. So it seems that the only way to have long-term therapy would be to also take pills.
I can meet a therapist without the doctor's note for free a couple of times. Which would have been the first place I visited. I'll try going there again on monday and if they say the same thing again, I'll start throwing tables. Maybe that'll help.
I dunno, I expected that a doctor would have been interested to even have a check-up as I'm quitting the pills which can be hard and I have a history of this stuff like a suicidal psychotic episode. I think it would be reasonable to check a bit that what's going on and consider a plan forward.
I think the hospital staff didn't quite get the entire picture.
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I just visited mental health professionals in a place where it's supposed to offer therapy for free without a doctor's note. When they heard that I was quitting pills and have had a psychotic episode, they right away stated that I was in a wrong place, that therapy isn't what I need (even though it's what I specifically wanted) and that I should contact a doctor ASAP.
Then I went home, called the hospital and explained the situation. But they said that they won't send me to a psychiatrist, because I am quitting the pills by my own choice and I'm not looking to continue or change the medication. Basically, the only way to see a psychiatrist, to form a connection to mental health services, get therapy etc, is if I want to take pills. So they also said I was basically calling the wrong place, and that I should go to the first place I visited.
Kind of an absurd situation.
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What came in mind first was that thought = "this, not that".
Thought always implies this, not that.
But then I wonder that if there isn't this nor that, how can thought imply "this, not that"? What "this" is thought pointing to?
Now I wonder if all thought is really just implying what isn't there. That every thought is actually false, like a false reality.
Or not really even false per se, just what isn't there.
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This is just spiritual "just be a man"-ism.
"Feeling is being suppressed"
"Prefrence is being denied"
"Emotions are not being acknowledged"
Why?
"Just wake up every morning at 5AM, take a cold shower, go to the gym, never eat any unhealthy food, never watch TV, never give up to temptation, never let fear limit you, just don't be weak" blah blah.
The problem isn't that I'm not doing those things. The problem is that I can't do those things. If I could, I would have been doing it for ten years.
It's the same with acknowledging emotions.
How is emotions not acknowledged at first and then is?
You're just telling me to go fight a bunch of supercriminals, without defining or offering or pointing to Chemical X.
https://youtu.be/QcWQuJBX-qY?feature=shared
And there cannot be any confusion about Chemical X. You add it to the mixture and that's it. There isn't a "BUuuUuuT". There isn't a "you're not acknowledging emotions". Those are the supercriminals.
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Day 9.
2 x 30 minutes done.
Walk skipped.
Resting
No drinking.
I hurt my neck today. It just randomly started hurting when I rose from the bed. I can't really turn my head, it's so painful. So I couldn't have the walk. And probably have to skip gym tomorrow too. Yay. Fucking sucks.
Meditation sucked too. The neck kept hurting even if I don't move. And I kept falling asleep constantly. Didn't really even meditate, just kept daydreaming.
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Let's say I am not acknowledging emotions fully. Why is that?
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40 minutes ago, Orb said:
So, allowing a thought to arise saying " i am experiencing the emotion anger" is super helpful because it allows you to see through any false narratives and go straight to the root, which is just and I want to emphasize JUST....an emotion.
In order to Feel emotion in the midst of a thought storm, we must first acknowledge (conceptually) that it's just an emotion felt, and not because you're a loser, stupid, etc. (Unhelpful narratives)
"Acknowledgement of emotions" or "feeling fully" honestly sounds to me like just nonsense.
Ya'll are presenting it as some kind of choice, doing, activity.
"We must first..." etc.
Who acknowledges? Who feels fully?
How is this not just a hamster wheel?
If you'd say "walk to the fridge, open it and take out a sandwich", I could just walk to the fridge, open it and take out a sandwich. That is actual, direct suggestion or advice.
"Feel fully" or "acknowledge emotions" is not. That doesn't actually say anything.
How is it possible to not feel fully? Am I somehow already not feeling? Is there degrees to feeling feeling?
And how is it possible to not acknowledge emotions?
What is the problem here? If there really is a suggestion or advice similar to "walk to the fridge, open the door and take a sandwich out", how come I am having trouble with that?
If I'm not seeing the fridge, point me exactly where the fridge is. If I'm trying to open the door or twisting the handle the wrong way, then show me what way to push. If I don't see the sandwich, then point it to me. That's actual advice. That's functional. That gives me the sandwich.
If the advice or suggestions shared here would be functional, wouldn't literally every single person already have the sandwich?
It's just suspicious that there is ALWAYS a "but". Something you have to do. Something you may fail to do.
"You can be, do, or have whatever you want. BUuUUUT...."
It's the same thing with almost every self-help book, ever. There's AAAAALLLLWAAAYYYSSS something between you and the sandwhich. There's always something you're doing wrong. It's always your fault.
It's just suspicious. As if it's a machine that's meant to never really work.
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2 hours ago, Phil said:
Expression is a drawing upon the source. Emptying is filling up.
Two cents… keeping going. Empty the barrels, and move out, and live alone.
If there is only one thought at a time, how come expressing only once, seeing a therapist only once, writing one post in an expression journal isn't enough?
How come writing "I am experiencing the emotion anger" actually doesn't do anything, empty anything, actually give any sense of relief?
Isn't it so that what you resist, persists? If I try to express to empty and feel better, what happens is that the expression and journaling itself becomes resistance. It becomes a discordant spiral where I write the same things over and over, I try to find the right words to write, I try to succeed and experience the feeling of release.
It's like trying to cry by forcing it. Doesn't work. What happens is not crying and release, but the knot just tightens more and more. The expression just doesn't work, it becomes part of the spiral. Sometimes the pressure just becomes so intense that it seems like there is nothing to release it, except physically harming myself by hitting myself in the head or face, hitting or kicking a wall to feel something.
But them even hitting my own face or hitting a wall also becomes a part of the spiral. Same though loop. Whatever way you try to release it, only tightens it. Cause you're trying, and trying is like a curve ball that makes everything worse.
This thought loop / spiral is one of the worst things I know. It has made me do such stupid things. It's also scary because when it takes hold, there just isn't a way out. It just seems like a total brick wall you just can't get through or under or over and the pressure just builds like an exponential curve.
How come that nothing ever actually works? Like for example, a good car you can pretty much trust. You put the keys into the keyhole, twist, and it turns on (except maybe if you have an italian or french car). But when it comes to emotions, well-being, happiness, success, making life work, it's not like that.
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Unity and oneness is like pseudo-nonduality.
Is suicide a normal human activity?
in Emptying
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What I was trying to point out was that if life was known to be unconditional and unlimited as it is, now, already, (all conditions and limits being only ever implied by thought), why would experiencing death be required to know that there is nothing in death that cannot be in life. What can't there be in life? What if life is unlimited?
Maybe. Maybe "natural" in the sense that even trees and plants are actually in a constant war with each other. "Natural" in a sense that all bodies eventually become sick and dies. "Natural" as if war and sickness and death were somehow a great creation of love.
Or maybe "natural" in a sense that everyone would experience the same emotional response (fear) to the same thoughts about death that you're believing.
But "natural" as in that it's reasonable and justified and it's too much to ask to simply be happy? No.
Don't settle.
Fear of death is not "natural".
Is it too much to ask to feel good?
You think that God wills you to live in fear?
God wills you to suffer?
Is simple decency too much to ask?
To this carefully prepared arena, where angry animals seek for prey and mercy cannot enter, the ego comes to save you. ²God made you a body. ³Very well. ⁴Let us accept this and be glad. ⁵As a body, do not let yourself be deprived of what the body offers. ⁶Take the little you can get. ⁷God gave you nothing. ⁸The body is your only savior. ⁹It is the death of God and your salvation. (ACIM, W-72.6:1-9)