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11 minutes ago, ivankiss said:
What works, but is quite fucking painful, is pressing a thumb real hard into the solar plexus area and then breathing into it. It sends all kinds of shock/pain waves throughout the body. It's anything but pleasant. But it usually works. A few minutes of this exercize usually does the trick. I'm able to breathe into and through the belly fully. My sense of self is strong, I'm centred, focused, confident, alive.
Could be a belief that inflicting and enduring pain on yourself, or sacrificing comfort, is a payment for assumed debt of 'sin', or unworthiness / guilt.
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Ur kink with ur holy sister is a mirror of ur kink with ur truth of yourself/God.
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3 hours ago, Someone here said:
I ask : I agree from the abstract philosophical absolute perspective..but from the practical perspective you need the thought story of being a self In time to put bread on the table at the very least .
It's not about perspective. The "you" who would need thought stories is a thought story.
You are not asked to let go anything or not have thoughts or thought stories.
Does Harry Potter quit his magic studies at Hogwarts when you notice you're not Harry Potter, but a dude on a sofa watching the movie on TV? Nope. Harry Potter keeps on as usual.
Harry Potter doesn't wake up. He has nothing to do with it really. It's not his "absolute perspective" or something lol.
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13 minutes ago, Someone here said:
oh for sure bro. Just Let me on in how you gonna build a career ..make money ..become successful..start a family ..and succeed in life on the practical level without poo-poo "thought stories ".
I'm kind of lost as to how we got here from the original post. I don't see the connection.
You're not asked to somehow be without thoughts or something. That's not what's being said here.
I'm very sorry if you've catched that interpretation (that you must be without thoughts). I totally feel you, that stuff feels horrible.
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36 minutes ago, Someone here said:
This post is so wrong and misguided that it takes huge chunk of time to refute It all ..so I won't do that. I'll leave it for you to discover that you are deeply misguided.
What's talked about in this thread feels so great that it would actually be self-harm to take that comment seriously. 😁
It's a very sneaky belief/assumption that there is some kind of a pre-existing warehouse of dualities which source is Truth.
No thought or implied duality is true. It's all so made-up that there isn't really even any words in our language to describe the unreality of thought stories. It's so false that it isn't even false anymore but more like just kind of fun and delightful.
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A while back someone made a thread here, asking "what is a thought?".
When I wondered about that, the first thing that came in mind was that thought = "this, not that".
Like how "up" means "not down".
It seemed at first kind of like Plato's idealism. I'm not that familiar with Plato's metaphysics, but if I remember correctly, his idealism stated that the objects in this world are kind appearances of an idea of those objects, from what he called "idea world".
So at first I saw it kind of like that. I saw it as if there is an "idea-world" of dualistic distinctions, and thought kind of picks out objects & things out of those dualities that already exist.
But then I noticed something totally crazy. If it is thought itself that implies duality, then how could there be pre-existing dualities from which thought carves or picks the ones to imply?
So... If there isn't any dualities prior to thought... Thought makes them up 'on the fly', from thin air, from nothing.
And that's totally frikin nuts.
It means that literally no thought is true. All of it, everything thought conveys, is made up on the fly. What thoughts make up is entirely "distinct", or "detached" from Truth, or nonduality. There is neither "up" nor "down".
All thought stories are entirely false, and doesn't say literally anything at all about truth. Trees, cars, planets, stars, people... None of these things and stuff and happenings are coming from Truth. They are entirely made up, totally unreal.
Unlike university students, thought does not go to a Truth library to check if it's stories are accurate. It makes it all up. It's total fantasy.
In other words, you are entirely innocent. No thought, no story, no descrpition or definition has anything to do with you, at all.
Anything that goes on in the world has absolutely nothing to do with you. It's all false. Totally unreal. You are pure and innocent, and nothing has ever changed that.
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If you'd write a story of a totalitarian dystopia which would be symbolic of ego/selfing/believing thoughts, what would that society/government look like?
If 'the ego' / ignore-ance would be summarized into a few lines / catchphrases of propaganda, what would they be like?
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55 minutes ago, Reena said:
Should I visualize my desire for Mr B in the form of a wrapped gift given at the altar?
Yeah. Anything you want, offer it as a gift.
55 minutes ago, Reena said:This will be particularly hard because it's an intense desire
It might even be harder than hard. It's probably impossible.
How can you let go what you're holding on? Is it possible for you to have two separate wills? (Will to let go and will to hold on.) You'd have to be divided for that to be the case.
Ask to do it with the Guru's (God's) power. Ask for her to show you how to do it.
Also, you can't fail this. It's not some kind of thing you gotta succeed in. It's really just symbolic. The real prayer happens prior to your doings. Take it easy. Enjoy it.
The seed is already planted. You don't need to worry about that. Just give it some water.
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Relationships are substitutes for God/Love.
There is a beautiful form of prayer shared in Disappearance of the Universe by Gary Renard which might be helpful in this.
Get comfy and take a few deep breaths: ground, be mindful. Also, recognize that you cannot actually pray by your own power. Ask to do it with the guru's power. Ask the guru to show you the way.
Visualize a perfect white light surrounding you and stretching across eternity and infinity.
The visualize God's altar and perhaps Jesus or any other form the guru might take there with you, as support. Or just be alone.
Give all your desires and wants and ideals (stuff you think you need to be happy) as gifts to God. Tou may even visualize wrapping them as if a birthday or christmas gift.
With each desire or ideal you give away, remind yourself "I shalt not have other gods" and remind yourself that God is all you need, and he's with you already.
Then just be silent. Meditate for a moment.
I recommend you do this twice a day.
It's very telling of our madness that there is multiple desires. Relationships, money, sex, houses, cars, this and that etc etc. Our focus is very divided. We're like in some sort of insane rampage of divided attention. It's really no wonder why it seems that life is very confusing and complex and hard and overwhelming and stressful. This is what the "I shalt not have other gods" points to. Simplicity, simplicity, simplicity.
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On 5/14/2024 at 7:42 AM, Joseph Maynor said:
Letting go is difficult because Truth vs. false is not clearly realized. If false was realized, there would be no problem. If you knew Plato's cave was an illusion and you were outside the cave, you wouldn't be concerned about what's going on in the cave -- unless you're curious about studying illusion for some reason. Or it would be like clinging to a dream you had at night like it was Truth. Nobody would do that. That's a good pointer. That's what the whole Life is a Dream pointer is really trying to get at. It's a great analogy to what the false is in relation to Truth. It gets even sneakier in that there's nothing to let go of because the Self is not a doer or a results seeker. So any letting go is sneaky ego. The Self doesn't need to let go of anything. Renunciation is just a pointer just like solipsism is. They both involve ego/mind and get close but no cigar to Truth.
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On 5/14/2024 at 7:41 PM, James123 said:What about attachments?
It's the same for attachment. Attachment happens because there is a belief that the thing what's attached to is real, valuable and meaningful.
It's impossible to "just let go" something like fear of death for example, because there is a reason why fear or death is being held onto in the first place. (the belief that fear is real and means something). The reason for holding on must go first. Then letting go happens, which isn't really even a letting go.
Why is letting go so difficult?
Not only difficult, I think it's actually impossible. You can't let go what you're holding onto, because you're holding on.
The only attachment that needs or even can be to let go is the "I" that has attachment or would be letting go.
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I haven't been doing so great lately.
I've been meditating every day though, I just haven't been wanting to journal it here or really even visit the forum.
Every word and line I write right now here feels indescribably painful. I'm having probably one of the worst crap goggles there is on right now.
I've been having them on every day for some time now. I think it started from quitting the pills.
It's like there is a knot in the core of my being, and every way I try to open it, it gets tighter. It's like this knot has been there for as long as I remember. And I just can't open it whatever I try.
Every day there is at least one, often multiple moments when I experience intense suicidal ideation. I try to not take those thoughts seriously and to understand that this will pass and is probably withdrawal from the pills. I know what the forum guidelines say about this but I just wanted to share openly what's going on.
That's despair.
Along with despair there is also rage.
I'm enraged with everything and everyone. It's like no-one can escape my rage and hatred. It's like I direct it toward anyone I can. In some moments I experience flashes of violent imaginings. Sometimes I just hate the entire world so much I want to claw my own eyes out.
A lot of it is directed toward this forum and I've been wanting to get out and never come back. I blame this place for being spiritual abuse, lies, deceit, dishonesty etc.
Acknowledgement of emotions, the scale, feeling fully, etc etc all just make the knot tighter. Even mentioning this feels like I'm stabbing myself.
I don't even want for that stuff to be true. I don't want that this forum, Phil, Mandy, be right about it. I don't want to ever come back here and go through this again.
Scale, LoA and the dreamboard is just a reminder of what I do not have, and what I can't have. Or what I should be doing, but can't. What I will not succeed in. How powerless I am. I think that's all they even can be.
I think it's all your fault for giving shitty, even dishonest and purposefully hurtful advice or spiritual teachings.
Especially loa is very shitty and maybe even ill-intentioned advice.
The basic idea is that you want something, like let's say a new car. And then you could have it by feeling good as if you'd already have it.
But the very reason anyone would want to have a new car would be because it's believed that the new car is the source, or the only way to feel good.
So the point to manifest the car you want by feeling good is just ridiculous. That advice is stupid as shit. You can't at the same time focus on what you don't have and feel as if you do.
The whole idea that the world or reality is to manifest stuff you want is stupid. That the point of life is to create things and stuff you want. That feels super shitty. I find ACIM way more reasonable.
Basically everything on this forum and aob is just a daily reminder of my failures. Every single emotion that doesn't feel great becomes an acute reminder of what I've been doing wrong, what I should (but can't) do, how it's all my fault, how I'm not good enough, how what I want is not coming, how I should fix myself, what I should quit.
It's like I should be some kind of monk who meditates every second of his existence and never suppress, never seek any relief from anything, always only face all uncomfortable feelings however bad it feels without running away. And if I don't be like that, it's all my fault, I'm just weak or arrogant or I just don't want happiness enough and I'm doomed to suffer.
And because I can't be like that, and because it would take years to finally stop suppressing and start feeling good, to finally not run away from feelings, all I can see in the future is years of this shit. Years of perhaps little moments of better feeling but most of it intense emotional vomiting and bad times, attempting that maybe if I'd just 'end it all' could make an end to it, starts to sound like a better idea.
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17 hours ago, James123 said:
I have no idea, why? I just talk about consciousness, love and Truth. Why?
Maybe people are the "opposite" of consciousness, love and truth. 🤔
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I recently watched The Hunger Games movies again and I saw some familiar themes there.
The rebel uprising in the past, and the totalitarian government's answer to it, 'need' to make individuals fight each other to the death until there's a victor. For 'honor, courage and sacrifice.'
The plot twist in the end how the rebellion concludes is also very interesting.
Also the very very end of the last movie, basically the last three or two lines makes me go hmm 🤔🤔.
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9 minutes ago, Phil said:
Great question!
The phrasing of “appearing as experience” could seem to imply appearing “as something else” (called experience).
Of the presumption there is something, there is the potential for the obscuring presumption “which began”, and therein “which could end”.
But there is forgetting. Suffering is the obvious 'proof' of this. Yes? And there must be a """reason""" why or how forgetting happens.
There cannot be a remembering while the mechanism of forgetting is still in place. Otherwise the forgetting would never happen.
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On 5/11/2024 at 8:57 AM, Joseph Maynor said:
Let's say you want to make money as a Spiritual teacher (as I'm sure a lot of us would do if we could)
That's the dream. 🤩
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On 5/10/2024 at 6:49 PM, Joseph Maynor said:
I think the difference between buddhism and advaita vedanta is in the advice for the 4th noble truth. Advaita vedanta would say the answer isn't in action it's in knowledge. Practice isn't going to save you if the doer doesn't exist or an agent of doing doesn't exist. It's only knowledge of the Self that is the 4th Noble Truth. The first 3 are agreed on. Wrong attachment to delusion causes suffering, but the way out is to realize the Self is not a doer.
I agree 👍
Buddhism isn't really non-duality, just like Vedanta/Hinduism isn't non-duality.
Yet like Advaita Vedanta is like non-dual vedanta, there can also be non-dual buddhism. Like Huangbo for example:
The One Mind alone is the Buddha, and there is no distinction between the Buddha and sentient things, but that sentient beings are attached to forms and so seek externally for Buddhahood. By their very seeking they lose it, for that is using the Buddha to seek for the Buddha and using mind to grasp Mind. Even though they do their utmost for a full aeon, they will not be able to attain to it. They do not know that, if they put a stop to conceptual thought and forget their anxiety, the Buddha will appear before them, for this Mind is the Buddha and the Buddha is all living beings. It is not the less for being manifested in ordinary beings, nor is it greater for being manifested in the Buddhas.
I just noticed the last line. Haven't been paying attention to it before. That's some wisdom right there. How the character is, what it knows, or what it does, doesn't matter. You are not the character, you are always Buddha no matter what seems to je going on with the character.
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@Phil You've mentioned that the infinite being "forgets" the true nature by appearing as experience.
How can there be a remembering then?
I mean if the infinite being 'forgets' by appearing... Then isn't it so that to remember, then the appearing must end?
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13 hours ago, Someone here said:
Simply because death is unknown. Completely. The body seems to die . What goes on after that ? Nobody knows . Whereas life is literally exactly what it appears as . It is known .Work on your argumentation capacity.
Is there actually any limits directly experienced now? How could there be any limits to this?
If there is no limit to this, it would be obvious that there is nothing in death that cannot be in this. Because there is nothing that cannot be in this.
13 hours ago, Someone here said:All this "Naming " will fly out of the window when I point a gun towards your head .
Why don't you come and shoot me in the face and find that you are right. I mean literally you can do that and I would beg for mercy and deny god.
Then you can spend those sleepless nights thinking about how right you are to fear and suffer. Sound good?
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2 hours ago, Orb said:
The medicine is feeling whatever arises and if any resistance arises, feel it too.
That's already the case.
It's like saying "be yourself" or "be in the moment".
I am already myself and I can't be out of the moment.
I am already feeling whatever arises.
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If a medicine is functional, it's functional. It's taken and the cough is gone today. That's what medicine is. That's what it's for.
If you could let go attachments, you would have already done that. Attachments would be gone now.
"Just stop drinking" isn't the medicine for an alcoholic. Alcoholism means that you can't just stop drinking. If you could stop drinking, you would have already done that. Drinking would be gone now.
Similarly "stop aversion" or "acknowledge emotions" is not the medicine, because the very implication in that suggestion is that aversion is happening and emotions are not acknowledged. Why is aversion happening and emotions are not being acknowledged?
Wouldn't a functional medicine make it so that aversion and not ackowledging emotions would be no more?
Not coughing is not the medicine for cough. It's health. The medicine is what ends coughing.
Give me medicine, don't just describe health.
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2 minutes ago, Orb said:
You okay?
Better than for a long time if ever, actually.
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40 minutes ago, Reena said:
Which Spirituality has imposed anything on you other than you doing it to yourself?
Obviously no outside source has imposed.
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Spirituality which doesn't impose impossible tasks on you.
I know, I know, it's crazy. Blasphemy? Arrogance!
Why are you not letting go attachments?
Just stop! Sit down for a minute and just stop all attachment.
Oh, you can't?
Try again tomorrow. Maybe magically something changes and suddenly you can.
Maybe after two years you can let go. Or maybe six years. Or ten.
You just have to wait. A bit like when you take cough medicine. You keep taking it every day for five years and expect it to start working at some point. It's just stupid of you to expect for it to do it's job on day one. In fact, it's your fault that you haven't stopped coughing yet. Just stop coughing, dumbass.
Air trapped in the body / solar plexus contractions
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If there is an I, there is guilt. Separate self and guilt are synonymous.
YES, holy shit, yes, that makes so much sense. ACIM calls that "magic".
Pills and diet changes etc. only "work" when it's allowed to work. Right?!
That's why it's great to see doctors and try diet changes and stuff... And even Reiki?... Cause for 'most of us' it might be just too 'unexpected' to suddenly just 'heal outta nowhere'. Whatchu think?
I actually just today thought about how you mentioned that you quit smoking a few months back... Sorry to hear that it still continued. Nicotine is a bitch. I hope we will be free some day.
The stomach issue might not be the smoking itself though, but thoughts about a me being addicted. Or maybe not. Dunno.