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    My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?

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    55 minutes ago, God said:

    I wonder how many of the people who hate Leo have actually realized themselves as God🤔

     

    Yeah, he talks too much about pick-up and personal development, but he's right about 95% of everything he talks about.  Most of what he says is just advanced common sense.  It takes a lot of "RAM" to understand some of his higher level concepts, but it's all pretty simple and self-evident.

    I smell a cult member;)

    My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?

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    Posted · Edited by Lester Retsel

    30 minutes ago, Serenity said:

     

    I was again trying to support your point 😅. There is no will to pick holes in your reasoning, merely to complete it.

     

    In many jurisdictions, had he succeed to have sex with this girl, it could have been labelled as an assault. This depending mostly on whether the woman would have been pressing charges or not after the intercourse.

    Oh I know you were, I was reacting more to Psychonautica and Baller... thank you for helping me out there, sometimes I'm not very detail oriented😅

    My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?

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    10 minutes ago, Cupcake said:

     

    I love your videos. Just subscribed. Also left a comment, my username on YouTube is zegglife. Whenever I'm feeling down,I watch your videos. You have a very calm way of explaining things. I'm waiting for more videos from you on different subjects. Also a shoutout to your cat. Your videos are best when you shoot them in your room because it's more relaxed that way. Hope to see more. Your newest subscriber.

     

     

    That is so nice to hear, thank you for taking the time to say it💜

    My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?

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    Posted

    46 minutes ago, Adeptus Psychonautica said:

     


    Call him out on his bullshit, point out his unsavoury behaviour...whatever, but to make these statements regarding legality as though you know for a fact that a crime has been committed just looks like hysteria to me. 

    @Joseph Maynor 

    There are indeed examples of puas who have gone to jail for doing the type of thing leo advocates, just because he lives in a state with loose laws on consent doesn't mean people in other states following his advice aren't subject to legal ramifications.  Looking at the link Joseph Maynor shared, it does show that stuff leo advocates can very well violate consent laws.  And many of his followers don't strike me as bright enough to know where to draw that line, neither does he obviously, maybe that's why he chooses to live in Nevada.  I still don't see my criticism as going too far.

    My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?

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    39 minutes ago, Adeptus Psychonautica said:

     

    I totally agree, and this is where I think you undermine some of your own points, which are completely valid, by saying some other stuff which is factually incorrect.

     

    Here is an example "The thing is, the things he talks about and films himself doing in his Vegas videos legally qualify as sexually predatory"

    This is simply not true. Now I would completely agree that Leo's behaviour is creepy, cringeworthy, and just outright repulsive on many levels, but it does not legally qualify him as ANYTHING - that's you overreaching. If it did indeed legally qualify him as someone who has committed criminal activity then it is your moral duty to go and file an immediate complaint with the police.


    As I said in my previous post I think there is enough valid criticism that there is no need to make the guy into Satan, especially when these accusations play loosely with the truth around what is or isn't legal. I'm sure most people here are pissed off with the Actualized crew playing fast and loose with the truth . don't we want to be better than them? Aren't we the rational ones who escaped that nonsense?

    "If someone is vomiting while you are having sex with them, I think it qualifies as date rape" - It doesn't. Again I'm not defending Leo but you should stop making these statements that X = criminal act, this particularly one borders on absurd as there is no legal text which states sex + vomit = date rape.

    Call him out on his bullshit, point out his unsavoury behaviour...whatever, but to make these statements regarding legality as though you know for a fact that a crime has been committed just looks like hysteria to me. 

    @Joseph Maynor I'm English mate, not Scottish 🙂

    Mmmkay...I was wrong on the particulars of the legal system...the other quote did include "I think" so it was my own opinion.... I didn't say he was Satan, I'd never give him that much credit....I absolutely stand by the statement that he is a predator.  And the having sex with a vomiting stranger seems as though it could very well fall into the category of illegal since someone that wasted could easily be past the point of informed consent.  

    My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?

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    Posted

    On 4/9/2022 at 1:27 PM, Iesu said:

    Lester really pointed out a few points about Leo I had some concerns about in a few videos. 

    Party with God am I right? lol  

    I just went back in this thread and saw this, I'm actually really touched by it, and I'm flattered to have been brought into this discussion at all.  I strive to be as clear as possible in what I say publicly, I take full responsibility for all my words, if I ever realize an error I will cop to it immediately, I'm very new to doing this, and I hope to keep growing.  So, thank you, I'm humbled truly to have reached anyone, I intend to remain humble and curious along with y'all.  Cheers. 

    My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?

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    Posted · Edited by Lester Retsel

    40 minutes ago, Kevin said:

    Basically I agree with the criticism of Leo because he paints himself as an enlightened guru but i think a lot of people in this thread are being very critical of regular people wanting to go out and have fun and I don’t think being a little bit drunk stops you from consenting.

    No, I'm not anti these things, there is a huuuuge difference between what leo and the puas do and responsible, normal nightlife interactions.  The puas are predators because they go out with the very specific intent to hookup with any girl at any cost, they even refer to women as "targets" this is vastly different from someone who goes out because they enjoy it and if they should happen to get on with someone and hookup, great, but it's not their sole motive.  A lot of these pickup guys, leo especially, are socially clueless and going out to prey on the intoxicated ONLY because they are easy targets, they don't enjoy or even understand the social enjoyment of simply going out, drinking, dancing, whatever....I mean just look at leo trying to "dance", it just doesn't even compute with him, and he is completely out of synch socially with his surroundings.  And yes, of course a person who has had a bit to drink can consent, but you need a level of discretion that leo clearly doesn't have, or even care to have.  

    My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?

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    Posted

    4 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

    @Lester Retsel The way it works is if walk dangerously close to that line and someone comes after you for sexual assault, then you have to prove consent was given, and that depends entirely on circumstances or a question of fact.  If the jury finds that the intoxication level was too high considering all the admissible evidence, they can reject the defense of consent.   The defendant has to prove consent as a defense to the sexual assault charge or claim.  I would worry about anything that vitiates consent if I were engaging in sex with intoxicated strangers.

    The main point is its obviously shady.  We can all see this right? Not only that, you are degrading yourself because you are basically saying "in order for me to get sex I must put myself in a place where people specifically go to release their inhibitions in the most extreme way" in other words, you aren't worthy of attracting someone who had their full judgement and faculties about them.  And yes, we're talking about someone who is supposedly "God realized".  It seems fairly absurd to me. 

    My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?

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    Posted

    1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:


    This is the general rule of law regarding consent and intoxication.

    https://www.dartmouth.edu/consent/sex_drugs_alcohol/index.html#:~:text=Yes%2C you can give consent,drugs%2C you cannot give consent.

    That seems totally reasonable.  I think there is much more room for that when you know the person and have an existing relationship, when you just "pick up" a stranger, it's much harder to tell, like I say, some people can function perfectly fine in a total alcoholic blackout, you just can't necessarily tell, so unless youve been present with then the entire time they have been drinking and know how much they drank, you really can't tell.  It's shady no matter what....people have addictions and engage compulsively in behavior they don't really want to, only to regret it later, and yes, that is on them in a way, but you don't need to participate in someone's bad decisions.  The whole thing is just gross to me.  I've been involved in poly and non monogamous relationships, and generally people who I've known who do are very ethical, and very much look down on pua in this way.  Imo you really need to be MORE ethical if you are trying to have casual sex with multiple partners. 

    My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?

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    Posted · Edited by Lester Retsel

    44 minutes ago, Serenity said:

     

    https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/77869-do-you-ever-get-drunk-before-approaching-a-woman/?do=findComment&comment=1084060

     

    I've pulled a few drunk girls when I first started game 10 years ago. They end up throwing up everywhere before sex can even happen. Waste of time. And gross too.

    First girl I ever pulled threw up while I was trying to go down on her. It was so gross I lost my interest in having sex with her. Funny enough she came to visit me the next day sober. But I was too grossed out by her.

    Never doing that again. Drunk girls are gross and a waste of time. High girls too. They seem easy but they are just a pain in the ass to wrangle. It's fool's gold.

    The best kind of girl is one who is sober but really hot for you.

    If you're smart you will not allow girls to drink too much. It's just part of good logistics game. The more they drink the worse it gets. 1-2 drinks is okay

     

    If someone is vomiting while you are having sex with them, I think it qualifies as date rape, regardless of whether you drugged/got them wasted or not.  It's like taking advantage of someone with a disability.  When you're that wasted, you are "dis-abled"

    ....so yeah, I don't see my criticism of him as "going too far" whatsoever.

    My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?

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    Posted

    3 minutes ago, Baller said:

    I don't think there's anything clear about it unless you have their alcohol blood levels.  They could be pretending to be drunk for whatever reason (to give themselves permission to act out, whatever.)  I'm just not a consent extremist, sorry.  Let's stop pretending that club girls don't go to clubs to make out with guys if there's an opportunity.

    Dude, you sound gross.  I'm done here.  Bye all. 

    My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?

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    Posted · Edited by Lester Retsel
    Clairty

    6 minutes ago, Baller said:

    You're assuming that they're drunk by how they are acting.  How do you know they are even drunk then?

    Thats...exactly my point?  Well they are clearly intoxicated to some degree(slurring, etc) but there is no saying to what degree.  And let's just say, it being a club in Vegas, the safest assumption would be that they ARE, not that they might not be.   I'm not going to be responding to these semantic objections anymore. I was asked to come here and clarify so I did, I don't see any value in continuing down this particular line of cross examination.  Good day. 

    My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?

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    Posted

    Just now, Baller said:

     

    I love to trash Leo as much as the next guy, but those are a nothingburger.  The girls are not incapacitated, just drunk.  One kisses him back and the other tells him not to use tongue.  That is not "inablity to give consent."  Don't see anything illegal.  Look up Nevada laws on consent if you want.

     

     

    You can't assume an individuals level of intoxication based on how they seem.  Some can fully function in full on blackouts.  This means there is no "ethical" way to do what he is doing.  Maybe Nevada has less strict laws on consent.  Also, this is only what we see, he talks about doing much more, meaning sleeping with women he picks up in this way.  I personally think this is absolutely inexcusable, but sounds like you disagree.  Anyway, I don't feel bad at all about expressing my thoughts on this in any videos I have done, and I'm not even trying to make more of them in the future, I think I might be done with them.  

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