Can Emotions be Fully Expressed While Doing Drugs?

[Orb]

One of my favorite teachers is Nisargaddata because he smoked lol. 

 

I'm vaping nicotine and using porn sometimes.

 

But I know there's been a shift for me, yes I know there's self referential thoughts but I'm being forreal, I know deep in my core that it has been recognized. Sometimes on a daily basis the loop is closed and it's just being.

 

Intuitively it's seen that all that's left is to fully express all the repressed emotions. 

 

This arouses great hope within me, as I know what has to be done.

 

But can nicotine and porn be used during this process? 

 

Do drugs block the repressed emotions?

[Mandy]

11 hours ago, Orb said:

One of my favorite teachers is Nisargaddata because he smoked lol. 

As awesome as Nisargadatta was, he came from a totally different era, young grasshopper. You can do better.

 

Plus can you even imagine what he would answer if you asked him about having role models? 😂

[Mandy]

11 hours ago, Orb said:

But can nicotine and porn be used during this process? 

 

Do drugs block the repressed emotions?

Look at the "feelings come from things" belief. Can feeling itself really be blocked? Can substances really cause feeling? Instead to trying to manipulate and move back and forth on whether you're free to do what you want or demonizing that stuff just observe and question that. 

[Orb]

@DMT Elf it's more subtle than dopamine release when it comes to these behaviors, for me it's more about if something is being done compulsively or not. And great for you! Enjoy the weed free life.

 

@Mandy I was actually contemplating last night and it was seen that emotion isn't an object and doesn't come from objects. 

 

For the sake of better understanding: when you say feeling, do you mean emotion or just pure sensation? 

 

While objects don't cause feeling, and causation itself is an illusion, I hit my nicotine vape and there was a change afterward, what was that change? 

 

Emotion-wise I'm still feeling content and peaceful during this, yet what was the change that occurred after hitting the vape, would you say it's just physiological stuff going on?

[Orb]

15 minutes ago, Mandy said:

As awesome as Nisargadatta was, he came from a totally different era, young grasshopper. You can do better. 

@Mandy 😁

[Mandy]

@Orb When I say feeling, I mean feeling itself, "what" is aware "of" feeling. It seems like there's a duality between a feeling vs feeling itself, but is there really? 

 

3 minutes ago, Orb said:

While objects don't cause feeling, and causation itself is an illusion, I hit my nicotine vape and there was a change afterward, what was that change? 

 

Emotion-wise I'm still feeling content and peaceful during this, yet what was the change that occurred after hitting the vape, would you say it's just physiological stuff going on?

What has to happen for you to notice change? What is change directly? 

 

[Orb]

@Mandy Well so far in my investigation, emotion is not separate from feeling itself, but they are distinct "things". 

 

Kinda like how a hand is not separate from a lamp, but the hand is a hand and the lamp is a lamp. 

 

15 minutes ago, Mandy said:

@OrbWhat has to happen for you to notice change? What is change directly? 

 

 

Good question 🤔, change is a label slapped on to something that has changed. I really don't know what to answer 😅.

[Mandy]

16 minutes ago, Orb said:

@Mandy Good question 🤔, change is a label slapped on to something that has changed. I really don't know what to answer 😅.

What is the assumption behind change? What concepts is the concept of change based upon? 

[Orb]

@Mandy

3 minutes ago, Mandy said:

What is the assumption behind change? What concepts is the concept of change based upon? 

The assumption behind change is that there's a solid thing that is changing.

 

For the 2nd question, I'm not really sure. 🤔

[Mandy]

@Orb How about time? A self that exists in time that change can be attributed to, and a thought of past concept of self or experience comparing a concept of present or future self or experience? 

[Orb]

@Mandy okay fine I'll be happy 😊 

[Lotus]

On 9/2/2022 at 2:14 AM, Orb said:

Do drugs block the repressed emotions?

Not really imo.

 

I finally took some distance from weed and realized that I misused the herb to distract myself from things I don’t want to feel. It didn‘t really block emotions, because I still could feel that something within was off. But it sure was distracting. Or in other words, I used weed as a means of aversion. Aversion can come in many forms, be it substances, TV, or even sports. We are so clever that we can use literally anything to not look within. 

[Phil]

The framing assumes there is someone expressing emotions. 

Causation isn’t occurring in sensation or perception. 

Choose what you want over what you don’t as if there were no choice at all. 

Nothing to think about.