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14 hours ago, Phil said:

It’s not a different / better experience, it’s un-obscurred being. Un-obscured of experience. 

I guess this is where I reach an impasse. I don’t like how I feel. Waking up seems like a solution. I guess I can’t understand what waking up would be like though. The only thing I can picture it as is a better experience.

 

Maybe I don’t need to think about it though. It's kind of a tough situation because the desire for enlightenment is also a desire to feel better which maybe is also a desire to escape.


 

5 hours ago, Phil said:

What’s the difference between “I’m feeling hopeful”, and I’m feeling hopefulness?

Well I’m feeling hopeful is the same old me stuff and I’m feeling hopefulness isn’t personal.

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@Phil just curious, if the exploration you went through ended in cessation / no thought.

 

Then how come you mention aligning thought with feeling? Is this like a stepping stone towards eventual No Mind? 

 

im assuming thoughts arise in your experience only for communication? 

"Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless."

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23 minutes ago, Phil said:

@Orb

What is the one that went through something? 

That mentions or is mentioning?

What is a your experience?

 

When you say you don't experience thoughts do you mean that thoughts arise but there's no thinker? 

 

Yes these are thoughts arising.

"Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless."

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1 hour ago, Phil said:

No, I mean there is very plainly, simply & literally no experience of thoughts. 

So what happens when you communicate? Isn't that inspired by thoughts? What about attracting? Do you allow inspiring thoughts to arise? 

"Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless."

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1 hour ago, Orb said:

So what happens when you communicate?

An apparent experience of communication happens without there being anyone communicating. 

 

1 hour ago, Orb said:

Isn't that inspired by thoughts?

No.

 

1 hour ago, Orb said:

What about attracting? Do you allow inspiring thoughts to arise? 

Literally - there is no experience of thoughts. 

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13 minutes ago, Phil said:

An apparent experience of communication happens without there being anyone communicating. 

 

No.

 

Literally - there is no experience of thoughts. 

Damn

 

That's crazy 🙂

"Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless."

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16 hours ago, Mandy said:

The age old question...

 

How are you? 

 

Which feels heaviest? "I'm an impatient person." "I won't be happy until this situation changes." "I'm feeling the guidance of impatience." 

 

 

I’m an impatient person feels the heaviest

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43 minutes ago, Phil said:

@Kevin

Then grasp anything else with your right hand. Cell phone. A towel. Anything. And share how that feels. 

I can’t grasp my right hand with my right hand. I can pick up my phone with my right hand and I can type this response.

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41 minutes ago, Phil said:

@Orb

*Sanity. 

I saw that coming!

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1 hour ago, Kevin said:

I can’t grasp my right hand with my right hand. I can pick up my phone with my right hand and I can type this response.

Right, exactly. Profoundly simple & straightforward. That’s simply how it is. Self-evident. The right hand can’t grasp the right hand, because the right hand already is the right hand. 

 

If I said, “I am grasping my right hand with my right hand”, you might discern that I’m being honest, yet you’d nonetheless be aware that I’m not actually grasping my right hand with my right hand. I might be experiencing the thought or belief that I am, but I’m not actually. 

 

Do you agree?

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21 minutes ago, Phil said:

Right, exactly. Profoundly simple & straightforward. That’s simply how it is. Self-evident. The right hand can’t grasp the right hand, because the right hand already is the right hand. 

 

If I said, “I am grasping my right hand with my right hand”, you might discern that I’m being honest, yet you’d nonetheless be aware that I’m not actually grasping my right hand with my right hand. I might be experiencing the thought or belief that I am, but I’m not actually. 

 

Do you agree?

Yes that makes sense.

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28 minutes ago, Phil said:

@Kevin

If the right hand held a rubber ball, then sandpaper and then hot wax, the right hand (analogy wise) could describe its experience & how it feels. 

Make sense?

Ok here’s is where I get tripped up. Analogy wise the hand would be happiness and bliss. So it would make sense that I could orient to the hand and feel better. What I experience is that there isn’t a hand I can orient to in order to experience more happiness and wellbeing. 

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2 hours ago, Kevin said:

Ok here’s is where I get tripped up. Analogy wise the hand would be happiness and bliss. So it would make sense that I could orient to the hand and feel better. What I experience is that there isn’t a hand I can orient to in order to experience more happiness and wellbeing. 

You’re not tripped up. You got it. There is not a hand you can orient to in order to experience more happiness and wellbeing. The right hand can’t orient to the right hand for happiness and well-being, because the right hand already is, the right hand (happiness & well-being).

 

If the right hand were seeking happiness & well-being outside of itself, it would be overlooking that it already is, happiness and well-being. It would be obscured by the activity of itself, that is the seeking of its own true nature, outside of or beyond itself. 

 

One way the hand might overlook itself, is mistaking how experience(s) feels, like holding a rubber ball, sandpaper or hot wax, for how it (the hand) itself feels. 

One way Being might overlook itself, is mistaking how experience(s) feels, like thoughts, emotions and sensation, for it’s own true nature. 

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