ivankiss Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 (edited) Know the feel, right? Happened to me just moments ago, while drifting away and into sleep. A sudden interruption. So unmistakably familiar. It almost feels like... home. Strangely so. It triggered a memory of falling into that pool before. Except that it wasn't brief. It lasted for what it seemed like an eternity. Infinite regression comes to mind. Absolutely fascinating. So subtle. So captivating. Edited May 19 by ivankiss Quote Mention Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 Kensho? The glimpse? Seeing the Ox? Hell yeah Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 13 hours ago, ivankiss said: Know the feel, right? Happened to me just moments ago, while drifting away and into sleep. A sudden interruption. So unmistakably familiar. It almost feels like... home. Strangely so. It triggered a memory of falling into that pool before. Except that it wasn't brief. It lasted for what it seemed like an eternity. Infinite regression comes to mind. Absolutely fascinating. So subtle. So captivating. These are all thoughts, personal experiences, belongs the self, fantasies. Nothing to do with path. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivankiss Posted May 19 Author Share Posted May 19 This dude... 😅 you're full of shit @James123 , and you know it. Just a thought 😉 Quote Mention Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 2 minutes ago, ivankiss said: This dude... 😅 you're full of shit @James123 , and you know it. Just a thought 😉 Definitely fine 😊 where is love? I love you, I LOVE YOUUUU!!! Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivankiss Posted May 19 Author Share Posted May 19 9 minutes ago, James123 said: Definitely fine 😊 where is love? I love you, I LOVE YOUUUU!!! Cool. I find you quite annoying and I do not value your opinion at all. That's love too 😘 Quote Mention Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 3 minutes ago, ivankiss said: Cool. I find you quite annoying and I do not value your opinion at all. That's love too 😘 Be in Love! Being annoyed comes from suffering. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivankiss Posted May 19 Author Share Posted May 19 @James123 Speaking of truth does not mean you're being truthful. That realization is yet do dawn, I see. If you were to say to me 'all is one', I'd say you're full of shit, again. Why? Because you do not stand in that Truth, right now. It's obvious. You just like to make yourself look like you do. Quite lame. And a bit sad. Quote Mention Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 4 minutes ago, ivankiss said: @James123 Speaking of truth does not mean you're being truthful. That realization is yet do dawn, I see. If you were to say to me 'all is one', I'd say you're full of shit, again. Why? Because you do not stand in that Truth, right now. It's obvious. You just like to make yourself look like you do. Quite lame. And a bit sad. İ am in love, i love you. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivankiss Posted May 19 Author Share Posted May 19 @James123 sure bro.. 😅 Quote Mention Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 🤦♂️ Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivankiss Posted May 19 Author Share Posted May 19 56 minutes ago, Phil said: 🤦♂️ What?! 😁 Dude's clearly BSing, someone has to let him know 😅 Quote Mention Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 9 minutes ago, ivankiss said: What?! 😁 Dude's clearly BSing, someone has to let him know 😅 Cool. İt really helped me a lot brother. Thank you!!!! Does anyone in the so called body??? Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 @ivankiss ‘You're full of shit and you know it. I find you quite annoying and I do not value your opinion at all. That's love too. Speaking of truth does not mean you're being truthful. That realization is yet do dawn, I see. If you were to say to me 'all is one', I'd say you're full of shit, again. Why? Because you do not stand in that Truth, right now. It's obvious. You just like to make yourself look like you do. Quite lame. And a bit sad.’ Deflection & projection is like a habit with a loop aspect. The ‘loop’ can be broken by saying nothing / sitting with it, and also self-recognition as it pertains to self-referential thoughts. What’s revealed is the illusion of the you referred to (8 times). That ‘you’ is actually yourself, consciousness, awareness, aware of thoughts, perception & sensation. It’s just a less or non conceptual, manipulative, deceptive, deflective, projective, justifying & rationalizing environment is all. Can be a zen slap initially, triggering a doubling down of sorts. The reality of the ‘situation’ is we are more than in the same boat. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivankiss Posted May 19 Author Share Posted May 19 @Phil I know when I'm projecting and judging the crap out of someone, no worries 😁 Perhaps there is a definition that says it's beneficial, to me and the one being targeted. But I hear you. Silence could have been a better choice. But back to the topic... can you share some thoughts about this particular phenomenon that I mentioned? Why is it so damn cool and why does it feel like Home/truth? Also reminded me of crystalline experiences from back in the day lol. Jumping into a pool of freezing water... Quote Mention Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 9 minutes ago, ivankiss said: @Phil I know when I'm projecting and judging the crap out of someone, no worries 😁 Perhaps there is a definition that says it's beneficial, to me and the one being targeted. But I hear you. Silence could have been a better choice. But back to the topic... can you share some thoughts about this particular phenomenon that I mentioned? Why is it so damn cool and why does it feel like Home/truth? Also reminded me of crystalline experiences from back in the day lol. Jumping into a pool of freezing water... You saw the Ox. That's what happened. Now grab your rope and tie it up. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivankiss Posted May 19 Author Share Posted May 19 28 minutes ago, Orb said: You saw the Ox. That's what happened. Now grab your rope and tie it up. I hear you, and you're right, but that does not satisfy my hunger 😄 I'd like to get more specific/technical about it. Like... I also know crystalline consciousness is God... but that's all. I have no clue what the heck it actually is, how it comes to be, why does it occur, etc. It's a giant mystery, to me. But one of the coolest things I can think of. And scariest lol. Quote Mention Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 @ivankiss i hear you, words will never satisfy your hunger "tying up the ox" means continued practice, meditation daily or any practice that involves Feeling over thinking, self observation, etc. Also, what's crystalline consciousness? Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivankiss Posted May 19 Author Share Posted May 19 22 minutes ago, Orb said: i hear you, words will never satisfy your hunger "tying up the ox" means continued practice, meditation daily or any practice that involves Feeling over thinking, self observation, etc. You speak the true - true. Thanks! 23 minutes ago, Orb said: Also, what's crystalline consciousness? Exactly! 😅 Quote Mention Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 16 hours ago, ivankiss said: @Phil I know when I'm projecting and judging the crap out of someone, no worries 😁 Perhaps there is a definition that says it's beneficial, to me and the one being targeted. The interesting thing about noticing projection is the realization there isn’t someone projected on (or targeted), nor is there even one which knows isn’t. 16 hours ago, ivankiss said: But I hear you. Silence could have been a better choice. It’s very if interested, but it’s more about noticing deflection & projection, which naturally reveals the self of thoughts. 16 hours ago, ivankiss said: But back to the topic... can you share some thoughts about this particular phenomenon that I mentioned? Why is it so damn cool and why does it feel like Home/truth? Also reminded me of crystalline experiences from back in the day lol. Jumping into a pool of freezing water... If we were standing together and this head said to you ‘this body is in the past’, it might strike you as odd. If this head said to you, ‘ I know this body is in the past!’, it might surpass odd and begin to be funny. Funny as in silly, because it’d be really obvious that the body the head is referring to is present and isn’t separate, and the past is just a thought believed. The more you said ‘but the body is right here!’, and the more I said ‘no, the body is in a past’, the funnier it would seem to you, right? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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