WhiteOwl Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 In the Ten Ox Herding pictures in tools it says; " Now aware of the significance of direct experience, and the physiological benefits & feeling of alignment from the practice and inspection, a new glimpse is seen - that of the truly radical magnitude and apparent depth of conditioning. One is becoming more acutely aware of patterns of craving, clinging & averting, and of reaction & suppression, which have thus far been unknowingly at the helm of one’s life - living as if only a gear within a greater clock that is the universe." Is there good questions to ask universally, or is it just what comes up for you "personally". Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 4 minutes ago, WhiteOwl said: Is there good questions to ask universally, or is it just what comes up for you "personally". Both. Yes, whatever comes up. What are you curious about, what do wonder about, what do you want, what do you want to know? Maybe what is good? My favorite is probably why does reality feel real. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted February 3 Author Share Posted February 3 14 minutes ago, Phil said: Maybe what is good? What is good. As in what is it actually when something is "good"? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 @WhiteOwl No, just - what is good. Like, what is air. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted February 4 Author Share Posted February 4 (edited) @Phil Good is a concept. Air seems to be something you can point to, or not 😂 But some things are good, i mean preferred. Good comes out of preferences i guess. I prefer humus over chili-humus. So humus is good/better than chili-humus. Edited February 4 by WhiteOwl Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 @WhiteOwl What is the concept good made of? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted February 4 Author Share Posted February 4 4 minutes ago, Phil said: @WhiteOwl What is the concept good made of? Same as everything else.. consciousness. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 @WhiteOwl Everything else is a concept which means not or which isn’t the concept good, and therein can’t be what a concept is made of. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted February 4 Author Share Posted February 4 @PhilThe concept good is made of consciousness. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted February 4 Author Share Posted February 4 @Philor it really doesn't seem to exist at all. Can't even get an image of it like a unicorn. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted February 4 Author Share Posted February 4 @PhilThats the thing with contemplating anything. Its always nothing. Thing anything nothing Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 @WhiteOwl How’s contraction feel? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Phil said: @WhiteOwl How’s contraction feel? Would describe it as energy “stuck”. Mostly in the stomach area. Clinging to thoughts always accompany contraction in that area it seems Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 @WhiteOwl “It’s” is contraction. “It’s” = it… is. Is ”two things are really one” (confusion) really the same as not two? Put another way - I am separate of consciousness. I am the finite knower, which knows / understands consciousness is finite too - and I know & understand lots of ‘finite stuff’ about finite consciousness. The stomach (truth, unconditionality) can not digest the beliefs (false, self referential conditions). Now just pop the word ‘good’ or ‘goodness’ in where the word consciousness is. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) Make your own 10 Ox herding pictures. Follow your own compass on some level. Edited February 5 by Joseph Maynor Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 2 hours ago, Phil said: Put another way - I am separate of consciousness. I am the finite knower, which knows / understands consciousness is finite too - and I know & understand lots of ‘finite stuff’ about finite consciousness. You have contemplated and meditated and studied this for a long time that’s why you know how this stuff works. Isn’t it? Sure there is no one who can actually be pointed to, but it’s still kinda true? maybe there just is the knowing. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 10 minutes ago, WhiteOwl said: You have contemplated and meditated and studied this for a long time that’s why you know how this stuff works. Isn’t it? No. 10 minutes ago, WhiteOwl said: Sure there is no one who can actually be pointed to, but it’s still kinda true? No. 10 minutes ago, WhiteOwl said: maybe there just is the knowing. No. Phil’s a distraction from the inquiry. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 18 minutes ago, Phil said: Phil’s a distraction from the inquiry True, but something is still choosing to meditate every morning, in “my” case. Hard to put away all doership was my point Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 @WhiteOwl Hard & easy is one framing, and it’s subjective, so I can’t weigh in there. Another framing is manipulation & receiving. One is indigestible and the other is reality. Maybe in the vein of seeing this is reality - no one can claim doing in regard to everything keeping them alive. The air, the water & all the food. No one can rightfully claim having ‘done’ that. Yet everyone is receiving it. ‘Putting away all doership’ is trying to bend the spoon. That something is choosing (to meditate) could be another great inquiry… but is also a distraction from the present inquiry. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 5 hours ago, Phil said: “It’s” is contraction. “It’s” = it… is. Is ”two things are really one” (confusion) really the same as not two? There is always not two, so no, but the belief in duality causes contraction/discord/confusion. I want to not know 🥰 ..which luckily is already the case 5 hours ago, Phil said: Put another way - I am separate of consciousness. I am the finite knower, which knows / understands consciousness is finite too - and I know & understand lots of ‘finite stuff’ about finite consciousness. The stomach (truth, unconditionality) can not digest the beliefs (false, self referential conditions). Now just pop the word ‘good’ or ‘goodness’ in where the word consciousness is. Is there nothing to believe or understand about "anyone". Who would that be i guess. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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