aetheroar Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) The Nature of Experience In seeing, there is only the seen. In hearing, there is only the heard. In feeling, there is only the felt. In cognition, there is only the cognized. When these factors of experience are understood as such, there is no one there. This alone is the end of suffering. If you understand this, you don’t need to read further. Enjoy life 🙂 - The Nature of Mind The nature of the illusion of a psychological self (mind) is to create and maintain unnecessary distinctions. It does this by applying a positive charge (like/want/seek) or a negative charge (dislike/ignore/avoid) upon the sense doors. Not only does the psychological self apply these charges, but is a fabrication of these charges, and will vanish with their cessation. While these charges are held, a self appears, which by its very nature feels unfulfilled. It is imagined that these charges (equating to the self/mind) are what keep the body safe and that they must be held. In the same way that one does not need to contract in fear around a hot stove if they have embodied not touching it, these charges can be neutralized and their corresponding mentation let go of. The nature of the sense doors is to expand toward positive charges, contract away from negative charges, and ignore neutral charges. The combination of these inward and outward tensions create the feeling of a centralized observer with separate sense doors. Examples of this phenomenon are looking (expansion/contraction around the eyes, straining to see) or listening (expansion/contraction around the ears, straining to hear). When these charges are neutralized, all senses merge into one and the illusion of a center (self/mind) vanishes. As the nature of sensation is spontaneous awareness with no center or boundary, there is no observer either centralized or boundless. As there is no observer, no action can be attributed to a self, either personal or universal. To undoubtedly know this as a matter of experience is the end of suffering. If you understand this, you don’t need to read further. Enjoy life 🙂 - If Questions Remain; The Nature of Context Reality is not a concept and it has no unfulfilled purposes. Purpose and fulfillment are mentations based on the illusion of separation. Root yourself in what is actually happening and there will be no questions remaining. To experience wholesomeness, we must trust our understanding of this moment from this moment (without prior knowledge). This moment is not happening for a future reason or because of a past cause, it is the wholesome purpose and fulfillment of itself. A good practice is to replace “I believe” with “it appears”. The clarity of truth is uncovered when we are no longer focused on maintaining beliefs and instead remain rooted in the context of a situation. Context is not linear and requires no mental processing. For example, a dog knows what it’s like to sit in a field without having any knowledge of itself or a field. If I’m sitting down enjoying tea, I’m just sitting down enjoying tea…why would I need to think about it? What needs understood when a situation has no goal? It can always be that simple. If you didn’t believe anything, what would still be true? Start from the top of this or from right in front of you for the answer. When you stop striving, you will reveal understanding. Edited December 3, 2023 by aetheroar Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 @aetheroar You are all alone in your experience. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aetheroar Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, Alexander said: @aetheroar You are all alone in your experience. There is no reason to say this; it only has the potential to increase feelings of separation. This is an often repeated concept in spirituality meant to bypass the feeling of loneliness/separation with another concept, though both sides of the duality of aloneness/togetherness are based in misunderstanding the truth. Please read the post again to understand. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 17 minutes ago, aetheroar said: There is no reason to say this; it only has the potential to increase feelings of separation. This is an often repeated concept in spirituality meant to bypass the feeling of loneliness/separation with another concept, though both sides of the duality of aloneness/togetherness are based in misunderstanding the truth. Please read the post again to understand. How I am spiritually bypassing when in direct experience I am alone and I am experiencing everything alone,nothing is shared all senses and all cognition.I agree about psychological self being an illusion but Awareness/Nothingness is real. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Alexander said: How I am spiritually bypassing when in direct experience I am alone and I am experiencing everything alone,nothing is shared all senses and all cognition.I agree about psychological self being an illusion but Awareness/Nothingness is real. "I am alone" is still a subject-object thought. It's still the separate self trying to separate itself from this moment. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 Alone is basically just the words and all and one stuck together. In order to have the concept on one, you already have two, all and one, or you have what defines the one, what is NOT the one and what IS the one. Not two doesn't mean all one. Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 29 minutes ago, aetheroar said: There is no reason to say this; it only has the potential to increase feelings of separation. This is an often repeated concept in spirituality meant to bypass the feeling of loneliness/separation with another concept, though both sides of the duality of aloneness/togetherness are based in misunderstanding the truth. Please read the post again to understand. 7 minutes ago, Orb said: "I am alone" is still a subject-object thought. It's still the separate self trying to separate itself from this moment. You say it yourself, moment.There is One present moment experience. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Alexander said: You say it yourself, moment.There is One present moment experience. I have never said that before, that I'm alone and the only one in existence. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 Just now, Orb said: I have never said that before, that I'm alone and the only one in existence. You derive Truth from direct experience.Yes it's Truth.We are all solipsists wanted that to accept or not.Beauty of God's design.It's that simple. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Alexander said: You derive Truth from direct experience.Yes it's Truth.We are all solipsists wanted that to accept or not.Beauty of God's design.It's that simple. I don't experience an I that is alone. The word alone implies separation and ironically a belief that there are others. If there really aren't others, then there is also no separate self. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Orb said: I don't experience an I that is alone. The word alone implies separation and ironically a belief that there are others. If there really aren't others, then there is also no separate self. There aren't any others(you never experienced their thoughts,emotions and sensory input)You only experienced yours.You can get rid of psychological self but you are left with One present moment experience.Alone and only in existence. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aetheroar Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Alexander said: There aren't any others(you never experienced their thoughts,emotions and sensory input)You only experienced yours.You can get rid of psychological self but you are left with One present moment experience.Alone and only in existence. Yes, and that experience would not call itself alone unless it was still experiencing self-delusion. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, aetheroar said: Yes, and that experience would not call itself alone unless it was still experiencing self-delusion. You can transcend self but you are left with only Awareness there is. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 17 minutes ago, Alexander said: You can transcend self but you are left with only Awareness there is. That's more of the same. "You are left with only awareness." The "You" is still being included. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aetheroar Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Alexander said: You can transcend self but you are left with only Awareness there is. Awareness is just another conceptual ground the self claims as its own. Reality is not a concept. You can not transcend the self because there is not a self doing the transcending or a self to transcend, nor is there transcendence, awareness, god, or consciousness. Edited December 3, 2023 by aetheroar Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, aetheroar said: Awareness is just another conceptual ground the self claims as its own. Reality is not a concept. There is no Reality without your Consciousness. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Orb said: That's more of the same. "You are left with only awareness." The "You" is still being included. You will still have to use You for the rest of your life unless you decide to find some cave to meditate for the rest of your life ❤️. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 Just now, Alexander said: You will still have to use You for the rest of your life unless you decide to find some cave to meditate for the rest of your life ❤️. Yes for communication, but I get the feeling that you actually believe that there is a You and Awareness. Otherwise you wouldn't be saying you are the only being in existence. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Orb said: Yes for communication, but I get the feeling that you actually believe that there is a You and Awareness. Otherwise you wouldn't be saying you are the only being in existence. I believe Awareness imagined body and the world to play life where nothing is separated from it despite mind telling things and people are separated from Awareness and it creates I. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Alexander said: I believe Awareness imagined body and the world to play life where nothing is separated from it despite mind telling things and people are separated from Awareness and it creates I. The world sphere is vibration appearing as "things". Then the lens sphere creates the sense that there someone experiencing the appearing "things". Although in reality there are no things, only the lens can make it seem so. The lens is synonymous with consciousness. The world is synonymous with sensation or what's typically called "the senses". Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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