Alexander Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 When I was in Infinite state I was feeling one Infinity of my POV of my being.So how @Philget it up as 2 spheres .I wasn't feeling 2 spheres or 2 infinities just one. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 @Alexander Phil would be the belief, the obstacle, in exactly the same way infinite state or the belief in states obscures. States are from the illusory perspective of / as a separate self (the knower of states). Thus, still ‘inside’ seemingly, the spheres. Of the glimpse referred to you were not in an infinite state, and are overlooking the emptying of conjecture-conditioning aspect. It’s felt none the less. The desired intention of the obscuring via employing a teaching involving states is working as intended. If only a program, class or course of some sort were coming which clears this up. There is no pov (subjective experience) for being. Only for a knower knowing, an understander understanding; the illusion of ignorance. “It’s the smell”. - The Matrix Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted October 30, 2023 Author Share Posted October 30, 2023 @Phil If there is being how come there are 2spheres once of self lens and one of the world? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Just now, Alexander said: @Phil If there is being how come there are 2spheres once of self lens and one of the world? A pair of glasses has 2 lenses, but it's 1 pair of glasses("pair" is an odd word) Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Alexander said: @Phil If there is being how come there are 2spheres once of self lens and one of the world? A lens is a lens. I’m not sure what a “self lens” is. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted October 30, 2023 Author Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Phil said: A lens is a lens. I’m not sure what a “self lens” is. You talked about how sphere from what we are looking at is unclear because it is obscuring purity of it by thoughts beleifs and that sphere of the world is clear.So what is first sphere from where we are looking at the world sphere.Can you describe me what you meant with 2 spheres. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 @Alexander The first sphere is technically, in order of appearance, the world-sphere. The lens-sphere is the same as the world-sphere; a sphere. Meaning (and purpose, value & worth), is really the believing of thoughts and an overlooking of the actuality that it is a believing thoughts. Thoughts or thinking which arises in, of, as; the lens-sphere. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 You have two eyes, but one single "point of view", right? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted October 30, 2023 Author Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Jonas Long said: You have two eyes, but one single "point of view", right? Yes . What's your point. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Just now, Alexander said: Yes . What's your point. The "two" things aren't really separate, but they could appear that way. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted October 30, 2023 Author Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jonas Long said: The "two" things aren't really separate, but they could appear that way. So 2 spheres are in reality just one spehere,, being? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Alexander said: So 2 spheres are in reality just one spehere,, being? I don't really know about the spheres thing... i think it might be that,, but it's a way to help understand nonduality in general, for me anyway. Edited October 30, 2023 by Jonas Long Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted October 30, 2023 Author Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jonas Long said: I don't really know about the spheres thing... i think it might be that,, but it's a way to help understand nonduality in general, for me anyway. Yeah me too whole 2 spheres thing that is @Philadvocating for me has zero sense.Really wanting clarification on this subject. How can Infinity slip into 2. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 @Alexander Not slip into. One appears as two. There is no Phil advocating. The free monthly calls are wide open questions wise. This was actually discussed on the recent call. Text is very limited comparatively. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Alexander said: Yeah me too whole 2 spheres thing that is @Philadvocating for me has zero sense.Really wanting clarification on this subject. How can Infinity slip into 2. My answer would be, they are 2 aspects of 1ness. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share Posted October 31, 2023 13 hours ago, Jonas Long said: My answer would be, they are 2 aspects of 1ness. Isn't it duality then? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Alexander said: Isn't it duality then? No, aspects aren't separate things Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 If anyone has any suggestions of what can be added to this to make it clearer, more reader friendly or ‘click’ more readily - please, suggestions are more than welcomed. I acknowledge it can sound like something philosophical or theoretical that someone came if with, and even outright ridiculous. I get it. That’s why I’m asking for suggestions. Thanks! https://www.actualityofbeing.com/what-are-the-spheres Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Phil said: If anyone has any suggestions of what can be added to this to make it clearer, more reader friendly or ‘click’ more readily - please, suggestions are more than welcomed. I acknowledge it can sound like something philosophical or theoretical that someone came if with, and even outright ridiculous. I get it. That’s why I’m asking for suggestions. Thanks! https://www.actualityofbeing.com/what-are-the-spheres WHAT ARE THE SPHERES? A symbolic illustration of the relationship between so called infinite consciousness and so called experience. Remove these two ARE THE TWO SPHERES THINGS, AS IN OBJECTS? No. THEN WHAT ARE THE TWO SPHERES? WHAT ARE THEY MADE OF? Infinite consciousness, and not even. WHY TWO SPHERES? The appearance of someway and somewhere , like inside a sphere, where experience appears to transpire, is needed for the appearance of experience. Spheres are symbols of perfection, completion, whole, infinity. The infinity symbol ♾️ is one sphere appearing as two. Edited October 31, 2023 by Devin Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) What matters is what you create to teach yourself and others spirituality. A teacher is only a model for you to become the teacher. And the teacher can create their own systems from original sourcing. The greatest gift a teacher can give to you is to become like them. So, focus less on proving the teacher's methods as true or false and more on developing your own metaphors to communicate from your own source your teachings to yourself and to others. A teacher is a model that isn't supposed to replace you but to inspire you to find your own originality and creatively communicate that from a place of abundance. Edited October 31, 2023 by Joseph Maynor Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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