The big thing for me is time away from people

[Devin]

Society is not the coming together or cooperation of people, it's separation. These people do not give love to one another, all it is is parasitic or mutual relationships of utility and futility, fear really, fear based relationships that feed the fear, not threat of physical harm usually but social or fear of need.

 

I think the biggest and most critical thing is walking away from people, finding joy without others, then never going too far back out of balance once you get your bearings. Most people will likely never find another soul to have communion with which is not a problem, that doesn't mean not to look but it does mean not vesting your peace in any sort of prerequisite like that. I have to get away from people, everyone, it's just the only way I've found possible to maintain any sort of peace and happiness. People suck, you should never try to get happiness from people, they don't have it, the only time you should spend with people is if you're trying to give away happiness, and for me that means not much time with people.

[Devin]

I wish people could see how empty what they're chasing is, this weekend I was at a party for a capital group, and an actual nice group, nice people, but even their lives are empty, the head guy lives on a ranch and vineyard in California and barely works in his 60s, the rest of the executives are established 50+ and I still feel no life confidence or fulfillment in them, it does nothing for you, you work an entry level job, have a small house in a quiet little town and go jog or whatever at the park and you can be multiple times more fulfilled with life than these guys.

 

Joy is joy

[SuesserEsel]

Walking away from people is actually walking closer towards them, it's just not depended on them realizing it on the same level anymore.

 

54 minutes ago, Devin said:

Society is not the coming together or cooperation of people, it's separation. These people do not give love to one another, all it is is parasitic or mutual relationships of utility and futility,

Those are hard words.

I think what you meant to say was

"Relationships on this planet are still expectation based and conditional."

 

This is why artists are here for you, to help you with that.

 

 

I am not telling you to be positive or stay where you are either. 

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[SuesserEsel]

If people cannot see how empty they are within themselves then they unlike will do so by seeing it through your emptyness.

[SuesserEsel]

But I guarantee you, people do see it. 

They are just waiting for you to make the first step.

 

 

[Devin]

I don't see how you can view people as something different than animals, people are completely predictable, completely emotional not logical, people do not have souls, they're not even different than plants let alone animals.

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[SuesserEsel]

Emotionality actually requires you to have a soul.

Logicality we can put up for debate.

 

And emotionality is actually not predictable unlike logicality.

 

They are predictable because they are waiting for someone to show them the courage to get out of their conditioning, because they haven't realized the courage within themselves to do so, yet. 

[SuesserEsel]

Sorry, it was not my intention to be dismissive of your experience. 

You have a point.

There is just no point in beating yourself up.

Criticizing others is also criticizing yourself, Devin, that's why it feels so ugly.

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[Devin]

36 minutes ago, SuesserEsel said:

Emotionality actually requires you to have a soul.

Logicality we can put up for debate.

 

And emotionality is actually not predictable unlike logicality.

 

They are predictable because they are waiting for someone to show them the courage to get out of their conditioning, because they haven't realized the courage within themselves to do so, yet. 

Emotion is just Energy in motion, there's no soul in it, no different than a tree growing toward sunlight, river flowing downhill, volcano erupting, thunderstorm,... predictable. 

 

Notice emotions are just a physical sensation, energy.

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[Devin]

Adi Shankara, one of the great philosophers, says that gods (Devas) left the earth after becoming fed up with the demands of the human beings. They lost their character and made too many demands and so the Devas vacated the earth, says Shankara

 

The Buddha was born Siddhartha Gautama, a prince of the Sakya tribe of Nepal, in approximately 566 BC. When he was twentynine years old, he left

 

Genesis 12:1 - Bible Gateway

God told Abram: “Leave your country, your family, and your father's home for a land that I will show you. MEV. Now the Lord said to Abram, “Go from your country 

 

 

Genesis 19:12-29 NLT

“Hurry,” they said to Lot. “Take your wife and your two daughters who are here. Get out right now, or you will

 

Luke 4:42-43 In-Context
42 At daybreak Jesus left the town and went off to a lonely place. The people started looking for him, and when they found him, they tried to keep him from leaving.

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[Devin]

Not only is there no joy in it, you can only lose joy from it.

[Mandy]

Thou shalt exclude from thy thoughts purple elephants. 

 

The addition of a circumstance based on exclusion does not result in joy or not joy. If you don't like being around people every now and then, it's probably because you're trying to resonate with them and what you think they think more than with your own Source. Every time you try to exclude people from your life, the more you attract thoughts about em'. It's the thoughts not the people. Circumstance = thoughts. It's a "stance" you've drawn around a thought. You aren't surrounded on all sides, like being caught in the storm, you're the whole fucking thing. 

 

 

[Phil]

People are exactly the same as plants & animals indeed. Ye. From dust to dust. 

Person however means mask, or, false face. This, people, plants & animals do not share. 

 

Just as a reference…

https://www.actualityofbeing.com/the-ten-ox-herding-pictures

Catching, then Taming, then Riding Home, then Transcendence of Other, then Transcendence of Self & Other, then Source, then Returning. 

The Returning is really sweet. It’s astounding how joyful and loving people are when there aren’t. 

 

Quantum mechanics and mushrooms are great for transcending energy. 

[Devin]

1 hour ago, Mandy said:

Thou shalt exclude from thy thoughts purple elephants. 

 

The addition of a circumstance based on exclusion does not result in joy or not joy. If you don't like being around people every now and then, it's probably because you're trying to resonate with them and what you think they think more than with your own Source. Every time you try to exclude people from your life, the more you attract thoughts about em'. It's the thoughts not the people. Circumstance = thoughts. It's a "stance" you've drawn around a thought. You aren't surrounded on all sides, like being caught in the storm, you're the whole fucking thing. 

 

 

They're just empty blackholes, suck the joy right out of ya, it's so much better without them.

 

It's like sticking your hand on a hot stove or not, it's not the perfect use of "joy", you might say the discordance is felt when with other people.

[Devin]

"Via the practice - stillness & the way of non is grasped, such as non-engagement"

[SuesserEsel]

@Devin  

I never said there is soul in emotions, I said emotions require you to have a soul.

 

"Notice emotions are just a physical sensation, energy."

 

That's not true. A physical sensation is a physical sensation.

Emotions can be triggered by it, but are not it.

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[SuesserEsel]

Don't listen to someone's teachings if they cause disrupt for you, for a while.

Just stick what you can see with yourself.

[Devin]

38 minutes ago, SuesserEsel said:

@Devin  

I never said there is soul in emotions, I said emotions require you to have a soul.

 

"Notice emotions are just a physical sensation, energy."

 

That's not true. A physical sensation is a physical sensation.

Emotions can be triggered by it, but are not it.

Those thoughts you're calling emotions are thoughts not emotions. Next time you feel a strong emotion notice it's a physical sensation.

 

For example take Helen Keller, born deaf and blind, what's her emotions feel like?

 

Scientific American

www.scientificamerican.com

Feeling Our Emotions

Apr 1, 2005 — Damasio has strived to show that feelings are what arise as the brain interprets emotions, which are themselves purely physical signals of the 

 

 

You even physically smile, or scowl, or tremble and shake, scream, .....

 

Force a Smile right now, how do you feel?

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[SuesserEsel]

@Devin

You can have emotions while not having a body.

 

The physical sensation is powered up by the emotion and then expressed, is what I see.

 

The brain doesn't interpret anything, the brain is a "knot" that allows to flow through.

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[SuesserEsel]

2 hours ago, Devin said:

For example take Helen Keller, born deaf and blind, what's her emotions feel like?

I am not sure. 

What are you hinting? 

You mean to say because she lacks certain external stimuli she lacks the experience of certain emotions?

 

No pressure, I am just trying to understand

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