its a strange thing for sure...i think its fairly unprecedented in a way because its an online thing, we've seen cults in real life before, and con artists of all sorts, but we don't yet quite know what to make of a character like this who has made himself and exists purely on the internet. its like he is just beyond the ability for anyone to intervene in any real way because he has just enough plausible deniability, and like i said, we don't have another example yet of something like this really. its good to call it out, but can anyone really do anything to stop him? could anyone have prevented jonestone, or any of those death cults? i don't know. he has made me 100x more leery about psychadelic drugs, because i've always been a pretty big supporter, but i didn't know someone could end up like him as a result of them. i've only seen people become better after using them, myself included, so its very strange with him, its almost like they have had the exact opposite effect i've experienced and seen with others. i don't know how someone could take them like that and not examine themselves since thats what i've known them to do. like how can someone do them and still be all about doing "pickup" for example? it doesn't make any sense to me. its weird how much influence he has on people, and that so many, including mods here seem to have turned against him only after being banned by him. personally, i watched a few of his self help style videos when i was in a pretty dark place, and i can see how you can latch on to someone like him when you are feeling like that. once i saw his "pickup" stuff coming i ditched him, but i am a little older i think than most of his audience, i'm like his age actually, so i know how weird and immature it is for him to be into something like picking up girls in las vegas with these silly routines... anyway, i don't know what to do about him besides call him out and say your experience. but it seems like people will only listen after he has crossed a line with them personally somehow. i'm glad you got out.