BlendingInfinite
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7 minutes ago, Phil said:
Neither me nor Abe are saying “believe thought stories, but put feeling first”. So there isn’t a contraction, and so there isn’t actually anything to deflect or be ‘right or wrong’ about in the first place.
This is the message Abe is delivering. On the one hand she talks about believing a story (and this is real - you haven't watched this video and others) and on the other she says 'put feeling first'.
I get what she may delivering and what you want to say. And many people, too. As well as many not. And this can be avoided.
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6 minutes ago, Phil said:4 hours ago, BlendingInfinite said:
@PhilNow it is about you being accused.
Not over here it isn’t.
I responded by asking what the belief system of “your belief system” is.
The pertinent aspects seem to be….
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4 hours ago, Phil said:
I’m responding to your thread and accusations.
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Doesn't matter if you meditate, if you have to do intellectual work it will somehow dissolve it because of the amount of thoughts going into it.
Therefore, you would have to just meditate for a few months, without doing anything other and then slowly inject intellectual work.
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@PhilNow it is about you being accused.
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3 hours ago, Phil said:
Which is…?
The way you communicate is extremly abusive. You already know that this upsets me, I just want and answer and you now play the usual interrogation game to deflect and distract from it.
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20 hours ago, Phil said:
About what?
Deflection. At the cost of others, just to maintain your belief system
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And you cannot say 'believe thought stories, but put feeling first'.
This is contraditory and the reason why you want to be right and deflect it on me.
And all your advice you have written above is clear to me and was before. Currently, it is not about me but the subject.
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Of course people misunderstand e.g. Abe, because they are cherry picking what they want to hear. This is not unocmmon in spirituality.
This is why the 'teaching' must be consistent, in a way that it leaves no possibility open to be misunderstood. Even then, it would be misunderstood. But it would be less probable and a responsible way of delivery.
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It seems to me that you take it for granted to be right and think that everything I write is bs. Without even considering the possibility that it is not so.
I'm tired of it, because I've seen it happen a lot. People want to be right and don't give a shit about trying to understand the other person in terms of what they are saying.
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6 hours ago, Phil said:
What’s being dismissed is what Abe’s saying, which is that all that’s really relevant is how you feel.
When how you feel is above being right, what Abe’s saying, aka The Message, is heard.
Also, when how one feels is priority to what one thinks, one can reliably expect to feel, good.
Why do you want to be right then?
I got that Abes is saying put feeling first. But most of the people don't understand that.
There are a lot of people running around who believe Abe or Rhonda Byrne and then misunderstand, for example, what Abe means by selfish. These are the same people who believe thought stories and are invited to do so by Abe's language.
That's not a belief of mine, you see that very often. Our society is already very fragile with e.g. sexually confused transpersons or feminism. There is no need for a bunch of narcissists who only focus on themselves and that also consciously at the expense of others.
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The question is
"How does Abraham Hicks' model that says one should 'think oneself into the situation in the future' fit with Phil's teaching?"Abraham Hicks is based on "Think and grow rich" and "Seth" as they themselves meant. And moreover they say that one should 'know' the 'future' and that with 'believe' of 'thought'. And this is what I have reproduced verbatim and can be looked up. If one does not want to realize it, then of course not.
Phil means now, however, that thoughts believe, suffer is. Now naive people think that Abraham Hicks does not mean to believe thoughts, but it is about the erzeugen feeling.
Of course, this is nonsense, because once you believe thoughts, you also attract that you believe other thoughts. And either way, that means suffering, because you don't see reality as it is. But they talk themselves pretty, although that is not necessary.
Now don't hang myself on me saying "Phil's teaching". You know what I mean.
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Please get off your steed of presumption and moral superiority and do what any "compassionate" person would do - act in the interest of the other, with equanimity and humility or modesty especially from the perspective of not knowing - you can't know why I'm asking this, what the reason is, etc. But you can know what I am asking, in the sense that I have asked it. And now please don't twist the word "knowledge".
That was of course an invitation to projections, because if someone is not immediately friendly then it is because he feels triggered and that you yourself would then be right. That makes me angry and not the other topic. This naive and presumptuous behavior.
Now you would think "he wants to be right", this is the mind game you playing - deflecting instead of being humble. I was humble all the time and still am - but at a certain point there is a border crossed.
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It is stupid now to say "there is no person", because that would simply be an excuse not to care about the question itself, but to conjecture things that supposedly have to do with "me".
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I'm starting to find this borderline because instead of addressing my question, they are now trying to underpin my person.
Just because it is thought that one would be in the right although it is not about that at all. It is simply a matter of seeing what is true and what is not.
And if there are inconsistencies in the teaching then the whole thing may not be true. But that doesn't matter, it is obviously only about your ego, your convictions, etc..
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19 hours ago, Mandy said:
@BlendingInfinite Can you tell us about a time that an expectation caused suffering for you?
You are projecting it onto me.
The question was not about me at all.
For everybody there was a time an expectation caused suffering.
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It looks like an activity to avoid Taking responsibility for n error which was made.
Belief,expectation, believing thought stories, knowing the future obviously imply delusion or believing thoughts.
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I don't think ee can dismiss everything what anybody says and just projecting our own thoughts into it.
There is a certain consens on what people understand by language constructs and we have responsibility to it. Otherwise our civilisation wouldn't work. We wouldn't have internet, this forum etc. Moreover, the usage of words and meaning should not be misused. This ends in Chaos. You could say this is what I believe, but the price would be that your children couldnt go to school.
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Phil, it is not about Abraham hicks but the message. To avoid misuunderstsandings.
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28 minutes ago, Mandy said:
@BlendingInfinite When you posted this thread weren't you expecting an answer?
I was interested. It is again about expectation. I didn't had one
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1 hour ago, Phil said:
What if how you feel is put ‘above’ what you believe?
Then you could say hitler saved jews.
Language does transfer insights, isn’t that true🤔Abraham hicks did not transfer the insights you want to point to.
Beliebing sounds I interpret something into the said beyond what is communicated by Abraham hicks not you. It is about Abraham hicks. You saying now i believe is like dismissing that using assumptions.
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It is obviously an inconcistancy in Abraham hicks work. It teaches suffering. People are trained to believing thoughts and that this is good. It is not even if they are positive, because they are believed.
Moreover over the future.
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10 hours ago, Phil said:
Thanks.
There isn’t a future per se, but Ourself, ‘The Now’, and we’re quite literally creating reality. Projecting in that sense is really, quite literally creating. Pre-paving, imagining things working out for you is excellent alignment “work” imo. I use quotes because it’s not really work at all, because it feels great. Reality is very literally love, pure magic and we are vibrational beings. (And not even two.) So it makes perfect sense that aspects like vibration, resonating, and alignment are key. Even if not for ‘the stuff’, or how things ‘will’ go, for no reason other than how you feel, it’s most logical and sensible.
I agree. So no expectation🤔hence, we can remove it from the emotional scale. So less work👍
What do you think
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11 minutes ago, Mandy said:
It sticks out to me that while Abraham always says "expectation" you use the word "expectations". I mean, not to be annoying and nitpicky, but I think there's a massive, profound difference there, and you aren't hearing the word how it's intended.
The future is not excluded from now. There is no past, now, future. So we cannot secure our happiness and spiritual enlightenment by avoiding the future, because we are wise enough to know there is only now, we simply never experience the future directly. However when we are feeling fricking AMAZING about the future, we are feeling that... now.
The question remains, why Abraham Hicks advices to believe thoughts stories, which should arise in the future.
It is about what Abraham Hicks says and actually means.
My list has now changed
- Peter Ralston
- Phil
- Bryon Katie
- Abraham Hicks
Phil made it one step up, wheres Abraham Hicks loses 2 ranking points 😄 However, the question is about what Abraham Hicks actually means, maybe there is more too it. AH obviously advices to belief in thought stories. You can watch this video and others to validate it.
Even if there would be a difference between expectation and expectations, the emotional scale still contains believe and optimism.
Expecting
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However, it doesn't matter that much.
I have seen so much shit going on in people and experienced it myself that I somehow start to care about society, the world etc.
But I work on myself to give a shit on society and others and only focus on what I can get.