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MetaSage
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Getting a sense of how powerful teaching is for oneself and why it is an incredibly effective learning strategy.
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Interacting with others puts you "out there", forces you to reach out and to listen to another's experience, helps learning, improves communication and clarity, allows for deep sharing, intimacy and vulnerability, etc.
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Subtitle: anal sphincter experiences and considerations.
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Perhaps the subject-object dynamic appears to be. So, in the same way that within a dream, there's no object that falls nor a subject who carries out the action.
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15 hours ago, Phil said:
Another angle or way to elaborate would be aligning thought with feeling, vs expecting feeling to align with thought. If the feeling of empowerment is wanted, thoughts of inadequacy won’t do.
What is aligning thought with feeling? How to do so?
How to feel empowerment, then? Since I'm only thinking about it.
I feel explanations are sometimes too concise, that I find hard to grasp.
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On 3/7/2023 at 8:05 PM, Phil said:
Thought activity.
Like this.
What’s really wanted, a concept about empowerment or the feeling of empowerment?
Ok, I thought you meant something else with the full cup.
Feeling.
In any case you could try to answer from different angles or in different ways, and elaborate sometimes. Giving the answers and one-pointers may not be very useful in certain cases. What effect does that create on others?
I'm not precisely the most indicative example of succinct and integral expression but English isn't my first language. Just some feedback on your facilitation.
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30 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:
I’m kind of an oddball regarding Enlightenment where I see a working with between a Divine Individual and a Divine Whole (No individual self). The former is the Masculine and the latter is the Feminine. And then I also include a working with between the Divine and the human. The former is the Masculine and latter is feminine. So from my POV (and I could just be wrong or stupid) is that the Enlightened person doesn’t have the human in their shadow either. The Enlightened person from my POV is the wise (Masculine, intellect) and embodied (Feminine, body) person — the integrated person.
you think you can intellectualize the matter but what you said is plain bullshit, this is too.
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2 hours ago, Phil said:
What’s the exception to this though? Or, how is it so, that this isn’t actually true?
In direct experience though… without an if statement. Just saying… in the sentiment of the thread.
Like what is the exception to the original ‘rule’… how it is that that isn’t per se, true?
well, being upside down while dropping an object makes it seem like it's falling up.
come on guys help me out here with some examples ;I 😄
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53 minutes ago, Phil said:
What can fit in a full cup?
what is the cup full of? how come is it full? what is that state about? how come that is usually the opposite -- incapacity -- of our experience?
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19 hours ago, Phil said:
It is not a sense as in ‘the senses’, seeing & hearing, or, perception.
It is not a sense as in ‘sensation’, or feeling.
It’s a thought which seems to conceptualize feeling, via the believing of the thought or concept.
Senses themselves are there for survival.
What you say goes out the window when you see a tiger approaching you. As a self you know you're unable to defend yourself in that specific case. Just so when it comes to the whole domain of self-survival.
19 hours ago, Phil said:There’s no direct experience of being a self, or of self-existence. It’s a fundamental aspect of a philosophy.
Is the emotion, the feeling of empowerment wanted, or the thought, idea, concept, philosophy?
We don’t experience ourselves at all.
There is no actual / direct experience of ‘we experience’.
Doubt is an emotion. Also felt.
The duality of a self and its task is assumed. Nothing wrong with thoughts, conceptualizing, etc, but the emotional scale makes the shift from doubt to empowerment very simple & easy. Might take ten minutes the first couple times using the scale, then just a couple minutes, then it happens automatically.
An emotion is thought first before it's felt. It's a thought that is emotionally-charged. Notice your experience.
Well, self is an experience that we have. This fundamental sense of incapacity is underneath that experience.
This is a context in which we exist. and one that we suffer as a backdrop for our self experience.
No matter what we do, think, or say, we still don't have absolute capacity -- to get what we want, to make the world exactly like we want it, to create life or existence, to be "god".
This does have a profound impact on the experience of being a self. It defines what's possible and determines the tone and parameters, so to speak.
How could we, and when do we, feel capable as beings?
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1 hour ago, Phil said:
In direct experience though… without an if statement. Just saying… in the sentiment of the thread.
Like what is the exception to the original ‘rule’… how it is that that isn’t per se, true?
can't come up with anything at the moment
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15 hours ago, Phil said:
Oh that’s a good one. How isn’t it true?
in another planet it might fall up or go sideways, in space it does something different.
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if you drop an object, it falls down.
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On 3/3/2023 at 6:46 PM, Phil said:
Trying to change ‘a sense of incapacity’ is like trying to bend the spoon. That is impossible, and totally unnecessary.
There is only to see the truth, that ‘a sense of incapacity’ is actually a thought.
how so?
On 3/3/2023 at 6:46 PM, Phil said:It is not a sense as in ‘the senses’, seeing & hearing, or, perception.
It is not a sense as in ‘sensation’, or feeling.
It’s a thought which seems to conceptualize feeling, via the believing of the thought or concept.
it's a fundamental aspect of being a self, of self-existence.
We don't experience ourselves as "Gods".
We inevitably entertain core doubts about our capacity to manage our own lives as we want.
And of course the ultimate "proof" of incapacity to a self is that its task of surviving is doomed to fail from the beginning.
On 3/3/2023 at 6:46 PM, Phil said:Emotion.
How is empowerment an emotion? Then it can easily come and go, as in in one moment I feel bored, and in another I don't.
Let's say it is an emotion. In that case then, it shares its basic origin with the sensation or aspect of incapacity since emotions are based on thought, even though they don't seem to be.
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On 3/3/2023 at 4:33 PM, Mandy said:
The concept of capacity or incapacity depends on separation. That separation never becomes, it's only created in thought like a mirage or a dotted line showing where something might be distinguished. That's why when resistance is released, it's apparent that the whole works out for the whole. Empowerment is simply seeing those dotted lines as one's creation. The appearance of limitation is to enhance infinite creativity, like a painter that chooses to only use one or two colors in a painting instead of the the entire spectrum, the painter must create and see things in new ways to create something that never was. The empowerment is that creativity, it's baked in, it just seems when we are creating limitation for the purpose of suffering that we don't want to take responsibility for, and in that resistance we won't wield that creativity either. Creative power is also a surrendering as creativity is non dual and not owned or had by anyone. Like a painter in the flow of painting thinks not about themselves or how they are doing but is utterly one with the paint and canvas, in creativity there is nothing that needs survive. No starving artist, no need to sell the painting, no need to have anyone like it or see it at all.
would appreciate some clarification.
I assert that it's not a concept but a pretty fundamental aspect of self-existence. Your breathing and senses themselves are predicated upon this drive.
Notice you didn't experience creating the universe or how you came to exist, you don't know how to turn out life the way you want, you don't experience yourself as "god."
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@Phil okay thanks
4 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:There is a lesser of two evils argument that can be made. The key (I think) is to remind yourself of your own sovereign originality and also venture out into the social-interaction world. Dip into things but don't make any single dip your only dip if that makes sense. Come from place of strength/abundance instead of drawing energy from people if you can to be at your best operating outside of yourself.
healthy reading!
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Nah, probably a lot of pretension going on. Forums are useful but also superficial forms of interaction. Eventually people will show themselves authentic, or keep hiding it. But judge it in a case-by-case basis.
But yeah, on the other hand, it's pretty good overall, as the other forum. Don't forget this is smaller and younger, and their authors have a different style where they don't show themselves and expose themselves so much on video.
Good forum!
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A sense of incapacity is implicit in self-survival. In our experience we don't know how we came to exist, we didn't create the universe, there are core doubts about our ability to manage life. we don't feel capable to create life, to have what we want, etc. this is self-existence.
How to change that sense from one of incapacity to one of capacity? what is empowerment?
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Interesting. Goes to show how models influence our conception of the world. And yet the world has been it regardless of the model.
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This?
12 hours ago, Phil said:… question what’s theoretical or essentially just believed vs indicative of direct experience.
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11 hours ago, Phil said:
And I would apply that to everything you’ve said in this thread. I’d also look for deflections (from the responses to your questions) & asserting beliefs which aren’t actually indicative of direct experience.
To clarify, you're pointing to making a distinction between concept and experience -- to becoming aware of what is conceptual and what is direct experience?
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On 2/27/2023 at 3:08 PM, Phil said:
Is the question really how does a separate self and selves, survival, meaning, purpose, value, worth (etc, etc) & manipulation jive with integrity & authenticity, as far as nonduality, such that there isn’t hypocrisy etc? Maybe even more so, is the question how could there be alignment & well being therein? Or maybe… how do assumptions & conceptualizations of what (already) is jive with nonduality…?
This one?
Okay.
is the question how could there be alignment & well being therein?
Let's try that.
3 hours ago, Phil said:Also, AoB, in terms of the definitions (connotations) shared, isn’t a business.
How so? What is it? How would you label it?
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3 minutes ago, Phil said:
What about creating a thread on assumptions and beliefs, and dissect everything that’s been shared in this thread?
That, too. And ideals.
Let's not assume that since this is a "spiritual" group, manipulation doesn't take place. And don't conflate or bring up the absolute when it comes to relative matters. It's useful to be grounded on the assumed reality of these kind of domains, such as survival and business.
Thoughts on David. R Hawkins Consciousness scale?
in Nonduality, Consciousness, Awakening, Enlightenment, Self-Recognition
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all that calibration method and the scale sounds plain silly.
In lectures he would tell his wife something and whether to resist or not.
But overall I agree that he was a wise, conscious guy. Lovely teachings.