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MetaSage
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Now the laundry
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Baby... I'm... dancing in the dark...
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Spiritual circles, best place to hide some good passive-aggressive behavior.
Let's pretend our shit is so wonderful and special!
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On 12/26/2023 at 4:33 PM, Phil said:
Apparently only 3-4% of the population meditate, while the rest wonder how there can be so much conflict in the world.
where's that taken from? some study?
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1 hour ago, Phil said:
An ice cream shop saying never mind the naturally occuring fruits.
Yes, a place that you go to very sparingly and occasionally. But you don't go there to get nutritional substance but some artificial pleasure.
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23 minutes ago, Phil said:
It’s like an ice cream shop saying well, yeah… but regardless of this nutrition stuff, ice cream just tastes good!
Pretty much.
Some occasional sweet here and there.
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@Phil something like that?
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1 hour ago, Phil said:
What about non-aversion?
As in non-aversion from feeling, source… by averting to resources?
Like meditation, acknowledging & feeling emotions, and emotional healing therein… as opposed to intellectual constructs?
Meditative self-discovery as opposed to abstract ideas & theories.
I noticed there are many references to ‘students of life’ by that company (teacher?)… whereas Buddha, The Enlightened One, shared that life is suffering.
While it’s a beautiful looking website which seems have a lot of hard work gathering people’s ideas behind it, and does appear to be a very well run company, it all felt quite discordant and misleading and I’m just wondering how this reconciles.
I'm not sure what you mean.
But yeah, that work is misleading as it is accumulating "fingers" (as in fingers pointing to the moon) and it is very abstract, not really based on authentic experience but hearsay. On the other hand, regardless of this enlightenment stuff, one may be able to have fun in learning new concepts about other topics, just as an educational tool. I like that it incorporates diverse teachings, but don't hold it as work that is "real", or based on something other than intellect.
I've noticed intellectual people find comfort in their minds as it is a safe place where no real confrontation happens with one's own experience, by way of, say, meditation and emotional healing, as you mention, among other things. In a sense, it might be a defence mechanism, a way of distracting oneself.
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2 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:
I like Susanne-Cook Construct Aware/Magician Stage which is 5/6. I disagree with how she frames the next stage which is the Unitive Stage 6. I resonate with a lot of what she says up through and to 5/6. The stage above Construct Aware/Magician only a few people know about I'm pretty sure. And those people would have a hard time I think putting that into a narrative, but one might be tempted to try. People tend to teach up to their point of development and then try to reach a little bit more. It's cool when you can see that extra part, that reach, and go "that ain't it!" I caught you! Haha. We all tend to do this because, naturally, we want to have an idea of what is the next stage than where we are.Thanks for sharing.
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Hey, I hear-tell that maybe one's nature isn't born, so can't die.
But in the end what difference does it make what's said about this?
Your job should be realizing what you are, your nature. Then come back and tell us.
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Susanne Jesus-Christ Greuter
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Oh boy yeah
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Keyword "making", a decision is created. Nice, enjoy.
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Be responsible for creating your life. Be willing to recognize you at the source of your thinking, feeling, and acting. Create afresh, standing on nothing.
Creating is a function of self and other-than-self. To the degree that the creation is powerful is the degree both of those aspects are present. The creation is done by yourself and at the same time comes from not-self, from something outside of yourself.
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Go out, talk to people and be the kind of person that attracts the desired individual.
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Just intent to grasp you, whenever you get off track bring your mind back to the contemplation. You. You. You. What's that about?
At some point you might conclude "I can't find myself", keep staring at the wall of uncertainty, wondering who am I?
There are no "answers", this is about getting you directly.
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They don't.
What's absolutely true regardless of importance, feeling, preference, belief, etc?
But definitely investigate feeling itself too, although don't confuse it for the big banana (enlightenment).
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Is you a feeling? If it's already cognized as feeling then it's a feeling. Who are you? Who is feeling?
Just keep intending to grasp you.
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6 hours ago, Alexander said:
Simple,I want to earn money.
Pursuing money is a limited goal, I recommend you make your pursuit about something else that's more empowering, like mastering a skill.
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Self-survival is the cause of suffering.
We should acknowledge the fact that we actually want to suffer, and most importantly, that suffering is being done by you. We think it is needed as it serves a function.
So there's no reason to not enjoy it. Of course, this shift would alter your relationship to suffering to the point where it might become a completely different experience. After all, suffering is considered to be putting up with an unwanted experience.
If you didn't mind experiencing anything and everything suffering could not occur. This is what I suspect happened with individuals such as Gautama Buddha and Ramana Maharshi. They were free from self, life and death and therefore from the suffering inherent in them.
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On 11/6/2023 at 1:42 PM, Joseph Maynor said:
Exactly. I realize that you don't need thought or belief for spiritual enlightenment -- but if you don't consider enough thought the sneaky mind creates a thought system for you too. It's like paradoxically, the more thought you consider the more you have a thought-less mind. So, I study to keep my mind blank. People who don't study or have a bugaboo regarding study I find have a secret ideology that they don't want to shake loose. These are the people that just parrot the same thing over and over and it gets annoying. I see some of these people on Leo's forum. I won't name names. Even the blank mind thing or enlightenment doesn't require thought or belief can become an ideology too, so that has to be watched out for. All that does is create spiritual ego which causes suffering. The ways around this problem are kinda tricky. I'm working on finding a narrative that addresses the issues I raise above in my new video. It hasn't been easy.
What you say might be true, I don't know. I've heard that this "enlightenment" stuff isn't graspable and yet it's possible for one to get conscious of the absolute. If it is direct then only direct will do. It seems to me that anything that's relative is indirect, so even though focusing the mind and contemplating are useful, among other practices, they won't do it for you. The best we can do is contemplating and staying open.
😉😉 (can't delete the emojis)
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41 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:
Take a look at this map. It's a good one. I don't know if I agree with Stage 6 but I haven't really studied the nuances of what she's saying yet either. Look at Stage 5/6 too. Her 2 highest stages are as follows:
Stage 5/6: Construct-Aware / Ego-Aware / Magician / Alchemist (fifth person perspective and beyond)
https://www.sloww.co/ego-development-theory-cook-greuter/#edt-stage-5-6
Stage 6: Unitive (cosmic, ego-transcendent or witnessing perspective)
https://www.sloww.co/ego-development-theory-cook-greuter/#edt-stage-6
SOURCESusanne R. Cook-Greuter's 2013 Research Paper:
"Nine Levels Of Increasing Embrace In Ego Development: A Full-Spectrum Theory Of Vertical Growth And Meaning Making"http://onesystemonevoice.com/resources/Cook-Greuter+9+levels+paper+new+1.1$2714+97p$5B1$5D.pdf
Nice, thank you. At this point those stages are fun intellectual considerations. It's a useful model, not to be taken seriously in the end in my estimation, as any other model.
What is Fear?
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An activity done by you.
It depends on the possibility of a future you're unwilling to experience, and the possibility of that thing happening in the future.
Remove any of those components and fear can't occur.