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Likewise sir, you have so so much to learn, as in yet to see. No one on this thread said they hate Leo. What is the source of that hate?
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18 minutes ago, Forza21 said:
Because if i cheat myself into thinking that there are others, and really it is all inside my head, its not worth living… thats my biggest fear.
Great ‘work’!
Fear’s not a thing. It’s not something you have.
Fear is an emotion, and emotion is guidance in regard to what you’re thinkin.
What have you seen which you want to do, have, be or experience?
What are you jealous of? Notice the tendency not to give a direct answer to this, and relax, and see about an answer.
What is the ‘myself’ which you could cheat?
There two of you?
“It’s not worth living” is an attitude. When let go, it changes for you.
18 minutes ago, Forza21 said:That ill die, just to find out, i cheated my self all The time… im alone to The point of infinity… it feels like hell… do you undestand ?
The fear is felt in regard to this discordant thinking.
The fear has nothing to do with what you are believing it does.
This is the experience of thought attachment.
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On 4/13/2022 at 4:07 AM, Blessed2 said:
What was brought up yesterday and today is certain insecurity. Kind of this unwilligness to fight and put effort for what I really want. It feels like 'evading physical life'. Do I even want to have physical life? - I do, but something is holding me back from fully stepping toward it.
That insecurity is certain is a belief.
Insecurity is an emotion, which is guidance in regard to, what you’re thinkin.
Insecurity is not certain, it comes and goes. 😅 Thank God amIright?!
If you prefer the going, the releasing, the relinquishing of the of insecurity…
What have you seen, which you want to do, be, have, experience?
What are you jealous of?
Who or what exactly do you believe you are fighting?
On 4/13/2022 at 4:07 AM, Blessed2 said:This might even have some physical effects, like prostate, stomach and heart rhythm issues. All of them kind of feel like fear/unwillingness to accept physical life and it's "limits", or the need for physical effort. And shame/quilt of giving up too easily or being lazy.
Excellent inspection work.
What are you jealous of?
On 4/13/2022 at 4:07 AM, Blessed2 said:@Phil I remember you once saying to me something like "lay claim to your own life." That struck me.
Now I intend to lay claim on my own life, fight and fully invest in the good life I really want. Intention is enough, the tools and guidance will follow.
Wouldn’t you first have to find that which you are going to fight?
Intention is no reason to disregard emotional guidance.
Perhaps that’s what ‘you’re fighting’?
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18 minutes ago, Forza21 said:
And when you read this Article do you feel any Discord ?How is that relevant?
18 minutes ago, Forza21 said:
At this point i dont know if what ive experienced on psychodelic was the truth or i was brainwashed by concepts and belives. I simply would like to know.Why?
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“The masculine actually works (Leo), and the feminine sits around, gossips, and judges (Nahm's forum in a nutshell).”
You are welcome here. But, your intentions and words seem disingenuous. Why exactly are you here, utilizing this forum, as opposed to “what works”?
Are you not the source of that judgement?
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6 minutes ago, Forza21 said:
Can you Please say who you see it otherwise?
This thread is you still ‘touching the hot stove’. Focusing on what is discordant to you.
Trying to solve something to feel better, when letting it go, not focusing on it, is what results in feeling better.
This is because the “better feeling” is you.
Hard to realize that while attention is on what is discordant to you.
What’s true for you, in the ‘where you’re at on your path’ sense, matters.
What anyone else thinks or believes, doesn’t.
You’re kinda sorta pretending, playing the game of “it does matter”.
It doesn’t. It’s not your business. Has nothing to do with you, or the suffering.
There is no ‘liberation vs caring about people or the world’.
What feels good feels good because it’s all love.
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4 hours ago, Forza21 said:
deep down there is solipsism, don't you think?
No.
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What’s ‘it’ / ‘it all’?
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On 4/12/2022 at 7:45 PM, bardh said:
People with a “higher” capacity of consciousness are blessed in life.
By paradigm, I’m referring somewhat specifically to this meaning:
A set of assumptions, concepts, values, and practices that constitutes a way of viewing reality for the community that shares them, especially in an intellectual discipline.There is what’s referred to as ‘the materialist’s paradigm’. This is a set of seemingly shared assumptions & concepts like, ‘people have consciousness’ and or ‘people have amounts of consciousness’. Note, these are conceptual assumptions. In short, beliefs which seem true, because apparently everyone else believes the same paradigm.
The ‘materialist paradigm’ could be viewed as one half of a paradox; that there are individual people which have consciousness, are conscious, or have amounts of consciousness. This ‘half’ of the paradox would be like believing there are individual lego people, some of which have more legos and some of which have less legos. This would not seem like a belief, because all of the lego people also believe there are lego people. Most would believe that is sane, and to question that belief is insane, or could lead to insanity.
The ‘other half’ of this paradox could be viewed as the transcendence, or ‘seeing through the assumptions and concepts’ of, the ‘first half’ of the paradox - ‘the materialist’s paradigm’.
In this view, there is only legos, and no people… and thus, there is no actuality or truth, that “people” have legos, at all. It is the ego which is appearing as, “people”.
When the ‘second half’ of this paradox is seen clearly, it is also inherently seen that there never was a ‘first half’ of the paradox, because it is seen this was a concept, a belief, which was based on assumption,
Thus, in truth there is no paradox at all, and never was. In hindsight of seeing the paradox from the transcendent viewpoint, there was just a misunderstanding. Nothing actually changes, sans the absence of the misunderstanding. The misunderstanding was of only seeing half of the paradox, and believing it, vs inspecting the assumptions, concepts, values, practices and socially shared beliefs.
When the paradox (assumptions, etc) are inspected, it is found to be only belief, and not actually fundamentally true. When this paradox is transcended, as the very transcendence of the paradox is seeing, understanding, that there are no people… there is no one who transcended anything at all.
The Buddha referred to this misunderstanding as “ignorance”, which I take to be the ignoring of feeling, in favor of continuing to believe the assumptions, concepts etc, because in a way it’s just easier to ‘fall in line with the hurd’. However, The Buddha also explained that this ‘misunderstanding’, and non-inspection to see through this paradigm, is what suffering is. Thus, the end of suffering is the end of the ignorance and is the end of misunderstanding.
On 4/12/2022 at 7:45 PM, bardh said:I think that people who have a “higher amount”(or a stable amount:)) conscious can maintain focus for longer time and “die” less often.
As the materialist’s paradigm is riddled with assumptions and beliefs, this keeps the mind in a ‘busy’ mode, and the body mind in discord, unrest, suffering. This busyness of the mind obscures clarity & focus, just like clouds seem to obscure the clear sky. It seems as if there is not the presence of a clear sky, due to the clouds. Though of course, the actuality is that the clear sky is always present. It is the same for clarity & focus, and the busy mind of thought activity (clouds).
I am unsure what is meant by “die less often”.
On 4/12/2022 at 7:45 PM, bardh said:As a result they have a stronger sense of self, are less prone to manipulation or gas lighting and are much more effective in life.
When beliefs are inspected, they disappear. They ‘pop’ like bubbles. This feels good, because the beliefs (bubbles) are quite literally made of the eternal perfection or goodness, that you actually are. It is like the clear sky being obscured by clouds, and then the clouds blowing away one by one, revealing more and more beauty, clarity, focus and goodness.
Indeed, ‘they’ do experience having a stronger sense of self, and are less prone to manipulation or gas lighting, and are much more effective in life. But this is not because ‘they’ have more of anything - that is the misunderstanding that is ‘the materialist’s paradigm’. ‘They’ actually have less of something, and that something is the activity of thought, that ‘busy mind’, discord, and suffering.
On 4/12/2022 at 7:45 PM, bardh said:Additionally, a better understanding of reality(the relative reality) because of a better memory and for sure form higher “brain” capacity in time.
This aspect is is arguably only seen for what it really is, or rather isn’t, when the entire paradox is transcended. (Again, not by anyone). Then, the very nature of unobscured clarity & focus, naturally & inherently is itself the revelation that there isn’t, and never was, “understanding”. It only paradoxically seemed like there was, because there was the apparent experience of, misunderstanding, or, ‘ignorance’.
When what is said here registers, lands, or is grasped to some degree, to any degree - the relevance is usually - that there is a way, a path, which indeed does ‘result’ in, the end of suffering. This is usually the beginning of the undergoing of inspection of beliefs and assumptions. This is usually in conjunction with adopting the practice of daily meditation because it quiets the ‘busyness’ of the mind, making inspection all the easier, and allowing more clarity & focus into experience.
A Path Overview, The Ten Ox Herding Pictures.
Beginning Meditation.
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On 4/12/2022 at 2:00 PM, MazE said:
But you still have the same body/spaceship and physical laws still apply. Why this particular one and not another one? Why is a life story even created?
The body and laws, this one and that one, are already the ocean. As / for the ocean, there isn’t a body, laws, or a this one and that one. Same for the conceptualization of the ocean (life story). It (the concept) is presently / already, the ocean (of consciousness). The relevance might be that there aren’t really waves. The ocean appears as such, including the conceptualization of itself, ‘waves’.
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If you’ve not yet heard of & explored her teachings, here is a short introduction to ‘The Work’ of Byron Katie, from TheJoyWithin.org.
If you have ‘done the work’, please share how it went, what you’ve found, the impact it made in your life & relationships, and feel free to offer any insights that come to mind.
Thanks!
Byron Katie guides people on how to get in touch with their true nature by uncovering the layers of their psyche. She causes people who do “The Work” to fall in love with reality by getting honest with themselves. One of the most potent ways she teaches for us to view what is truly going on within our judgments and suffering is by doing turnarounds.
What Is The Work?
The work is a four-step question process Katie teaches more deeply within her books. She typically guides people to perform thought inquiry through writing as it’s easier to investigate thoughts on paper. She says this is because “it is the mind’s job to be right” and when investigating thoughts within the head it can justify itself immediately. Sometimes even without us noticing.
On her judge your neighbor worksheet, you write down your judgment and then put it to work. The Work is four questions that will reveal the underlying truth within your being. To reap the most benefit out of the work. It is important to be completely authentic with yourself and take time in order for your inner wisdom to come through.
The Practice:
“Every step of The Work is meditation. To begin, drop into stillness and observe what arises in the mind's eye. Now, allow The Work to work you.” - Byron Katie
Notice:
Who or what upsets, angers, or saddens you? Why? Recall a specific situation.
Write:
Capture your stressful thoughts on a Worksheet using short, simple sentences.
Question:
Isolate and question one thought - allow authentic answers to arise.
Turn It Around:
Find opposites of the thought. Are these opposite thoughts as true or truer than the original thought?
The Four Question of The Work:
- Is it true?
- Can I absolutely know this is true?
- How do you react, what happens, when you believe that thought?
- Who would you be without that thought?
After applying the work it’s time to work with turnarounds in order to get even more into the roots of what’s going on inside you.
What Are Turnarounds?
Turnarounds are potent perspective shifts that can bring you right into the heart of the thoughts or judgments that cause suffering. They are the inquiry of the truth behind the exact opposite of a thought. This is because disappointments are always created from you, not the other person. To understand this more you need to understand that your external environment is a reflection of you.
Here Is An Example of a Turnaround:
Judgement: "Paul shouldn't have lied to me"
Turnarounds: Paul should have lied to me. I lied to Paul. I lied to me.Through these turnarounds, the next step is to investigate if the turnarounds are more true than the original judgment. You can turn the statements around to the opposite, to yourself, and to the other yet not all judgments will have three turnarounds. It is okay to leave those that don’t make sense.
You challenge is to find 3 reasons why it is more true for each turnaround you can form. The turnarounds guide us back to the place our reality is created, in us! It is easy to think that a judgment you perceive within another person is strictly about them. Although… similar to the quote “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” - your judgments are within you.
(Judge Your Neighbor Worksheet)Additional Information & Tools: TheWork.com.
Check Out ‘The Work’ App ($.99)
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59 minutes ago, Blessed2 said:
Is punching a pillow expression?
Yes for sure.
59 minutes ago, Blessed2 said:Or maybe recording myself talking about how I feel?
Yes that too.
59 minutes ago, Blessed2 said:I could just say "I feel anger" but that doesn't really make me feel any relief or a step to the next emotion. How is this expression done succesfully that the next step can actually be taken?
Successfully and unsuccessfully, and for that matter right and or wrong, don’t apply to expression, but are expressions.
Typically anger is resistance, undesirable, unwanted. If given the choice, most people most often would choose not to experience anger. When one ends up experiencing the emotion of anger, it’s often created unconsciously. Acknowledging that one is experiencing an emotion, anger, is often enough. There’s usually a little relief in the shift from not understanding what one is feeling to understanding. From no acknowledgement yet, to acknowledging the emotion.
Then “when I feel this anger, do I sometimes then feel discouragement?”.
Most often, yes. Anger isn’t exactly in the flow, and when anger is in our lives we often cause some waves we don’t actually desire or intend to. It feels like discouragement each time this happens.
Does it feel better acknowledging discouragement is felt, than to be experiencing anger?
Then express blame for this anger & discouragement, and so on.
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7 hours ago, Iesu said:
it will be terrifying
What’s it?
Who’s terrified?
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I remember once when I was a kid, I stole a G.I. Joe from a store. 😬 Other than a case of beer, that was the only thing I ever stole. I didn’t feel great about it, but I didn’t feel bad about it either. But I was not the clever thief I thought I was. I totally got busted. General manager was watching the whole time on the security camera. Got busted & he called my folks. Dad came. 😬😬 And… in the office, with dad & the GM, and my thievery literally recorded on tape - I lied and said I didn’t steal it. That is still to this day the worst most terrifying feeling ever. 😬😬😬 Dad & I laugh about this now if & when it comes up. But when I told my kids this story… I’ll admit… I put just an itsy bitsy fear-of-God vibe in it. It made my story bigger and cooler. Or rather, at the time that’s what I thought.
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When 911 happened, there was a video of a speech by George W. Bush where he talked about retaliation. But, he didn’t use that word. He used the word, “crusade”. I remember thinking, wow, what an ego maniacal manipulative asshole. But then when I met him, I felt compassion for his suffering of his delusion. One hell of a lucrative speech giver though, I’ll give Dubs that! That compassion just didn’t arise for a video. Had I met Dubs prior to that speech, the thoughts ‘egomaniacal asshole’ wouldn’t have even arose. Just the compassion for his delusion, and sincerely wishing him clarity, well being and health.
Speaking of Bibles, here’s an interesting true story chalked full of very deep suffering, bravery, courage, Truth and insights therein…https://eastbayexpress.com/the-right-to-confront-your-accuser-1/
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4 hours ago, Blessed2 said:
What say you?
These are concepts about a “myself”.
Which emotion was mentioned in your op?
Expression of emotion, instead of self conceptualization, will ‘wash you of yourself’, free you, liberate you.
Riding a bike is impossible. At least, that’s what all my kids said before they practiced. Now they say it’s just like riding a bike.
If frustration arises when attempting to express emotions above contentment… notice contentment wasn’t actually felt… and what is felt, is frustration. Express the frustration, then the next higher emotion on the scale.
Finishing the scale is a suggestion. When interpreting ‘finish’ as ‘forcing’ or ‘pushing’… again look at the scale and spot which emotion is felt there. Or, go for a walk, etc. Allow the mind to clear.
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9 hours ago, Faith said:
Oye, I disagree and even if it were duality, it's only an "apparent" duality. 😊
Sounds more like we’re saying the same thing. Apparent two, but, not two.
(Are apparent multiple views, multiple views.)
Maybe not. I don’t know.
😂
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8 hours ago, MazE said:
Are there ones inside this bigger one that get recycled?
Does the ocean recycle waves?
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11 hours ago, Forza21 said:
Consciousness can be aware of INFINITE points of view, but each finite point of view, can only be aware of itself.
Consciousness = awareness. Consciousness isn’t aware, but rather is awareness.
Consciousness aware of… would be a duality. Even if ‘itself’ follows of.
Hence, thought attachment… “the knower” ‘trap’… new ego / spiritual ego…. solipsism…. conjecture.
Point of view, or points of view, would be finite.
Infinite can not know, or be aware of, finite.
I once heard a belief explained, such that God needs man (woman, person, human)… to know itself. There was compassion for the arrogance, but The Joke was, as always, just as funny.
Nothing is packed into ‘the lens’.
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55 minutes ago, fopylo said:
What I meant is that I don't understand what you meant when you said the intentions are clashing. So you say that the intention of emotional awareness meditation is mental and emotional equanimity, and the intention of basic meditation is to bring discord to rest... How both these intentions might clash?
If you go back and read your op in that light, that answer will probably be clearer now…
55 minutes ago, fopylo said:Allowing, yeah. I like this, especially this:
This is a nice way to frame it. I'll start thinking about it that way: it's not about you, the one who is suffering, slowly becoming better at accepting yourself, having inner peace, authenticity, and progressing towards enlightenment. But rather it's about allowing the clutter of thoughts and beliefs to settle down and know that you are already the result you want (this inner peace, authenticity, joyful), and it is a process (meditation and expression) of allowing your source to flow through you.
… apparently it’s already clearer.
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16 hours ago, WhiteOwl said:
A lot of "i's" when i read it again. I really get caught in it sometimes 😅 Good for inspection now though. Happiness comes with presence, when the ego is not 🙂
Nice.
It might also be helpful to so to speak, utilize time. Or rather, to make use of the recognition of the actuality there isn’t really time.
Willfully actually, and very literally - go to a past, and then go to a future. Silly as it may or may not sound, keep attempting to until it is crystal clear that this is not possible, that there is only presence, now…. you=awareness, present-only awareness. Actually stand up and take a step in the direction of the past or future. Actually attempt to go ‘there’. Make it / allow it to be abundantly clear (and ideally, very, very funny).
Then, when the me vs myself comparative thoughts arise, they’re effortlessly untangled, dispelled, in noticing there isn’t a me in a past, thus there is no actual comparison.
Likewise, whenever self comparative thoughts arise… it can be readily noticed when that thought is experienced… is always now. The comparative thought could be of a day, a few days, or a few years - but the thought only ever arises, now. Feel and ‘see’ the relief in the humorous aspect of this. Laughing about it, genuinely, is a breakthrough, which is helpful in not taking the thoughts seriously.
May be helpful in the recognition… happiness, presence… are words that point to you. You-happiness-presence never comes and goes, and is never in a past or future.
Thoughts come & go.
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Same as unicorn.
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14 hours ago, fopylo said:
@Phil Yeah I know, this is what I didn't understand. How are those intentions clashing? What intentions?
Bringing discord (thought activity) to rest… and mental & emotional equanimity. Those two links may be an easier way to go. Just a suggestion thought, not a ‘right’ way by any means.
14 hours ago, fopylo said:Creating the many distinctions among the different emotions - "anger", "discouragement", "blame" - is certainly engaging with the mind.
Yes, whereas the practice of basic meditation is typically allowing all thoughts to come & go, returning attention to feeling breathing in the stomach. Might be much easier to go about as two different practices.
14 hours ago, fopylo said:Good point. Haven't considered that. But then the question that comes to mind is - what does it then mean to be consciously aware of your thoughts vs not being aware of your thoughts? What is the difference in experience between meditating on thought/emotional based meditation and just going about your day to day 'normal' life?
Try the awareness of thoughts & the mental & emotional equanimity meditations, and compare to going about your day. 🙂
14 hours ago, fopylo said:Well then I guess this occurs in a progression towards no mind, allowing your vibration to be very high, rather than by trying to shut it off.
Letting go / allowing / feeling breathing from the stomach… vs a progression.
14 hours ago, fopylo said:You knew before you posted it that you wouldn't get away with it easily ha ha
🙂 There isn’t that plurality either. Me & feeling.
14 hours ago, fopylo said:Well of course! When people like Leo say that they've meditated for a long period of time and starting to achieve permanent results such as inner peace, self love, authenticity - it obviously sparks something in me to want to chase it as well, not to mention the pressure of trying to start early so that my 20's will be great.
The natural isn’t a result, it’s you. The ‘you’ that’s chasing the natural / you… isn’t a you or an entity, it’s just the thoughts. It can be helpful to point to who / what’s chasing & who / what’s being chased to notice there are not really two / to see & be aware of the thought attachment.
14 hours ago, fopylo said:If beliefs = focused thought(s), and you feel the thoughts (like you said "One already automatically effortlessly if feeling thought"), then why am I still suffering from beliefs?
Inspect beliefs until it’s seen they’re beliefs / not true.
14 hours ago, fopylo said:Why? Isn't it awesome to experience thoughts of joy? Thoughts spark emotion, creativity, and many other stuff.
Oh it’s unbelievable. Any “why” would be more activity of thought.
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2 hours ago, fopylo said:
@Phil I am interested to here as to why. How the intentions might be clashing results?
Your op. Sounded like you’re trying to do both at once, and it might be easier to look at that as two different intentions and or practices. I didn’t mean the intentions clashing with the results. I meant two intentions of the practices clashing with each other.
2 hours ago, fopylo said:Yeah, but I can tell you something certain: My life experience would have been much worse if I hadn't come across Leo's channel and consumed his content, if I hadn't read your replies, had a session with you, read some mind blowing books. I have to get the theoretical understanding first, no? I mean, pretty much everything you're talking about is wisdom, but where did you get this wisdom from? You surely are a fan of Esther Hicks' teachings. You use terms like 'belief', 'thought', 'resistance', 'letting go' - which I bet you wouldn't have used if you were not to read some books and/or learn about this wisdom of reality, conceptually.
I don’t disagree. In addition, I don’t ‘hold’ wisdom in the same way. I don’t have any wisdom to value. It’s like the wind. Infinite. When it blows I am appreciative of it, when it does not I am appreciative of it.
2 hours ago, fopylo said:This is too much engagement with the mind
Could also be seen as not-engagement of the mind. Like “I feel anger”, “I feel discouragement”. Like, very literally, expression and using the scale can be that simple. There is no actual need for thinking or understanding, in the practice of using the scale.
2 hours ago, fopylo said:I meant more like if you give space for your feelings, and prioritize feeling the thoughts rather than engaging with the thought, then you are more in contact with the way you feel, and naturally prefer better feeling which will happen automatically, I guess.
Yes, I agree. Also, one doesn’t necessarily have to feel thoughts, in a ‘doing’ sense. One already automatically effortlessly is feeling thoughts.
2 hours ago, fopylo said:I find 'letting go' to be quite misguiding, as it seems to mean 'push the thoughts aside'/'get rid of it', and also a subtle implication that it is better not to have a thought than have a thought. The key missing point is that you always have thoughts arising, you're living within a sphere of thoughts, of mental evaluations, which are always here and you can't get rid of it. You can only distance yourself for playing with it. Letting go means shifting focus to a better feeling thought.
This might only amount to a pointing at the moment, but that I find to be indicative of belting thoughts and not actual in regard to thoughts. Might be actual & true for you presently, ‘where you’re at on the path’, but it’s not ultimately true. The mind so to speak can be very literally ‘turned off’, such that there is no activity of thought or thoughts in experience whatsoever. This is like living in the punchline of the entire cosmos - that everything is always going perfectly… aaannnnddd…. sometimes thoughts make that seem like it is not the case. No mind is not some impossible “state” or zombie like experience. It’s blissful, not concerning.
2 hours ago, fopylo said:What? but you are the one always talking about 'moving up' the emotional scale, which is changing emotion. What does it mean to allow feeling?
Change the thought focused on, not feeling.
This might be the clarifying point, but you’d have to let me know… in your experience, there are feelings (plural)… in this experience there is feeling (not plural).
Also, “tolerating” meditation is like ‘tolerating relaxation’. You might have meditation framed up kinda, wrong. As if it’s for fixing, solving, changing, obtaining, making you better, making life better, etc… vs, relaxation and thought settling, such that it is seen (felt) everything (you) is already pretty awesome as is. Yes, you have ambitions, stuff and experiences you want. That’s also awesome. Meditation isn’t a cure, it’s no longer believing the thoughts that there are problems. Ultimately, if you will, it’s simply no longer believing any thoughts, and no longer an experience of, experiencing thoughts.
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There’s basic fundamental meditation, and there’s meditation of Mental & Emotional Equanimity.
You might find it easier to practice one or the other, as the intentions might be clashing resulting in a frustrating experience. You also might not. Just a suggestion to try it out & see.
The discord felt might be of the thought ‘dying into the thoughts’, and not of an actuality of anyone dying into thoughts. The ‘separate self’ which can be falsely believed to exist, is only “in” thoughts - is literally thoughts. Exact same for ‘dying’. There’s no actuality of that. Just the thoughts / beliefs.
This is key to loa, because there is communion. An intending & receiving experience of manifestation.
Assessing thoughts with feeling isn’t something one can do. The ‘doer’ is like the separate self and death. When ‘doer’ thoughts are recognized, they fall away naturally. Effortlessness, which is synonymous with loa, is more clear, more pronounced. All effort is also like the doer, separate self, and death, in that the thought experientially exists, but not what the thought is about. Like unicorn.
Ego, depending on how the word is used, is also a unicorn. Thus, “ego death” is one of the most rampant spiritual misnomers. It is a claim by ego, which again doesn’t actually exist.
Resistance is let go, relaxation is willingly chosen and employed. Resistance can’t be ‘pushed through’. Pushing through is resistance. Consider allowing & receiving. Not just in practices, but in life, in relationships, in conversations. Notice thoughts arising as to what you’re going to say, and return attention to listening instead, letting the thought go. It’s an astounding experience, hearing what someone is saying for the first time. 🙂
There’s a pinch of confusion in regard to understanding and knowing via direct experience. ‘Valuing understanding the experience’ is a veiling concept. Kind of a cluster of concepts.
Instead of ‘focusing on the discord’, use the emotional scale and focus on which emotion is felt. Then, you’re oriented to feeling better, via expressing the next emotion on the scale. The significance is the ‘other option’ is typically unconscious rumination on concepts.
Feeling doesn’t ‘move towards alignment’. Feeling is what thought is aligned with. That can be a huge game changing insight, if one is trying to force or manipulate feeling. The ‘answer’ is always letting the discordant thought go. It’s not a ‘changing feeling’, it’s an allowing of feeling, unfettered by the activity, and sometimes over activity, or over-focus upon or of, thought.
One experiential difference that is worthwhile in this regard, separate self thoughts like “I fell back into” or “I hated”… become recognized as, thoughts about a self, and are more clearly seen or experienced as thoughts and not believed, as if there were an actual separate self.
An ‘overall’ ‘theme’ consideration might be inspecting for a deep seated belief something has to be done or change, or effort has to be expended - to feel good. If so, there might be an a priori (a prior and yet inspected) belief one is x, y or z, which might be ‘not good’, ‘not good enough’, ‘have to change something or get something or create something to be happy’, etc. The relevance here of the emotional scale, is the shift from believing the discordant thought… to expression, and therein the clearer & clearer recognition of the emotional guidance. “I am _____”, vs, “oh, when I think _____, I experience the emotion _________”.
Just what comes to mind. Maybe helpful maybe not. 🙂
My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?
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Thank you, I do appreciate the clarification & the kindness, and that sentiment is mutual. And really, it’s totally understandable…. But, honestly, I’m not convinced that sentiment is genuine, yet at least. That aspect is not really my business though, so I digress.
I’m not asking for a reply to this comment, or for you to agree, but I will ask that there is at least some open minded consideration in regard to what you said (copied above).
Is it possible, that there are not states which you are in, and this is a learned rhetoric of the separate self, which is isolating & conjecture, which contributes to a never ending seeking, which actually supports aversion, which one purporting to be a teacher of nonduality is knowing or otherwise, actually encouraging - by convincing listeners, that there are, states of consciousness, which a ‘separate self’, is in, only to later sell the “solution”?
Please, sincerely, imagine… you post here it’s all love, there are no separate selves… same thing I’m saying so to speak - same thing every nonduality teacher since The Buddha has shared / said - and I reply with ‘we have a problem’…. and ‘you need to leave’. Wouldn’t you inspect that, question the intention behind that? Then if you will, if interested, if willing, imagine I make a thread in response to you sharing the truth of infinite unconditional love - by talking about that you are ‘the separate self’. Would this not at the very least, be questioned?
I am also asking you to consider, but I am not per se requesting or asking you to do this…
Is it possible, that what is currently being considered people judging, is actually your judgement of people, and that these people are a step ahead of you so to speak, in dispelling, working through, inspecting & questioning, the delusional “teachings” of this purporting?
Is it possible, and this is certainly not meant in any ‘personal way’ - is it possible that ‘working property is assigned to describe a state of being not necessarily of utility’, is no more than confusion, which arises as justification and or rationalization of, the belief that you are in states of consciousness? Essentially, is it possible that is the ‘reach’ if you will, of the dogma or misinformation, which those said to be judging, are actually genuinely working through / letting go?
Is it possible, bypassing ‘doing the work’, bypassing the transcendence and libration from suffering - literally, just full on - bypassing and suppressing suffering, to the point of dis-ease and health issues… is a genius “teaching”, economically speaking?