Orb Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 It's become quite clear that really I'm the only one judging. When judgement settles down in direct experience, experience quiets down. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 4 hours ago, Orb said: It's become quite clear that really I'm the only one judging. You're not judging. Quote Mention 💬 🗯️🤍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetaSage Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 "Judgement is stupid and you are all wrong! (except me)." From GPT: Quote The word "judgment" has its roots in Latin and Old French. Here's a breakdown: Judgment: This word originates from the Latin "judicium," which combines "judex" (judge) with "-ium" (a suffix denoting an action or state). Judex: In Latin, "judex" means "a judge" or "one who decides." -ium: The suffix "-ium" is used to form abstract nouns expressing a state or condition, action, result, or relationship. Over time, "judgment" has evolved to signify the ability to form an opinion or reach a decision objectively. It can refer to legal decisions, opinions formed about someone or something, or the act of assessing situations and making informed choices. Huh, "one who decides." Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 2 hours ago, MetaSage said: "Judgement is stupid and you are all wrong! (except me)." From GPT: Huh, "one who decides." The kind of judgement I'm talking about is criticizing others or thinking harshly about others. It's actually possible to not judge anyone at all even if they piss you off. Experience (the spheres) really empties out when judgements let go. It's a return to innocence which is emptiness, fullness, simplicity, etc. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 @Orb So beautiful. 🥰 Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted June 11 Author Share Posted June 11 On 6/10/2024 at 7:54 AM, Phil said: @Orb So beautiful. 🥰 It's pretty nice to recognize that all the "good things" people have talked about are what remains when the veil fades. Like innocence for example, it's not actually a thing at all. It's just the absence of judgement. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) On 6/9/2024 at 7:50 PM, Orb said: The kind of judgement I'm talking about is criticizing others or thinking harshly about others. It's actually possible to not judge anyone at all even if they piss you off. Experience (the spheres) really empties out when judgements let go. It's a return to innocence which is emptiness, fullness, simplicity, etc. But isn't this just a judgment to not judge? It sounds good. You'll get commended for saying something like this. But this is attachment just the same. It's the doer. I will not attach to such and such. I can control what I attach to. People should not judge. I should not judge! Etc. It's beautiful ego., but ego nonetheless. Edited June 11 by Joseph Maynor Quote Mention 💬 🗯️🤍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted June 11 Author Share Posted June 11 5 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: But isn't this just a judgment to not judge? It sounds good. You'll get commended for saying something like this. But this is attachment just the same. It's the doer. I will not attach to such and such. I can control what I attach to. People should not judge. I should not judge! Etc. It's beautiful ego. It's simply the absence of judgement in direct experience. This isn't pushing judgment away or encouraging it, only just the letting go of it. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Orb said: It's simply the absence of judgement in direct experience. This isn't pushing judgment away or encouraging it, only just the letting go of it. Instead of detaching, which is just another form of attachment, I just realize there ain't no me that's judging. I'm not doing the judging, so there is nothing to let go of. It's just an ignorance regarding the illusion of the small self (the ego) that's seen through like the snake in the rope or the mirage on the horizon are seen through as illusions. Edited June 11 by Joseph Maynor Quote Mention 💬 🗯️🤍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted June 11 Author Share Posted June 11 1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said: Instead of detaching, which is just another form of attachment, I just realize there ain't no me that's judging. I'm not doing the judging, so there is nothing to let go of. It's just an ignorance of the small self that's seen through like the snake in the rope is seen through as an illusion. I'm not speaking about detachment, I'm speaking about the absence of judgement. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 7 minutes ago, Orb said: I'm not speaking about detachment, I'm speaking about the absence of judgement. What is a judgment? Quote Mention 💬 🗯️🤍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said: Instead of detaching, which is just another form of attachment Thought attachment is the believing of thoughts. Detaching, no longer believing thoughts, isn’t another form of attachment. That’s like saying not eating is another form of eating. Or not drinking is another form of drinking. Or abstinence is another form of sex. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Phil said: Thought attachment is the believing of thoughts. Detaching, no longer believing thoughts, isn’t another form of attachment. That’s like saying not eating is another form of eating. Or not drinking is another form of drinking. Or abstinence is another form of sex. Who is believing thoughts? The Mind? That logical Mind. What is being said is: You can't beat Being with Mind. ❤️ Edited June 12 by Joseph Maynor Quote Mention 💬 🗯️🤍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 @Joseph Maynor Who is a thought. 🙂 Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, Phil said: @Joseph Maynor Who is a thought. 🙂 Joseph Maynor is a thought. 🤍 Quote Mention 💬 🗯️🤍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 3 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said: What is a judgment? Judgment in the way it's used in this thread refers to criticizing others or any kind of I'll will towards others or any thoughts about how this moment isn't enough. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 8 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said: Joseph Maynor is a thought. 🤍 Exactly. 🍻 That there is someone believing thoughts would be, thought attachment. Thus, there is no one attaching or detaching, only the thought that there is, if there is at all. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 Going further down the rabbit-hole of the peace of no longer holding on to judgment thoughts: the subtle belief of Other-ing fades. Suddenly "people" and everything involved in "people" such as the vibration of sound that comes when they speak or how they smell, behave, etc. is deeply enriching. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 One heck of a light show. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 47 minutes ago, Phil said: One heck of a light show. It really is. Currently experiencing the resistance that arises from Other-ing. Behaviors arise like trying to impress, changing behavior in order to avoid being hurt in some way, stiffling of expression in order to avoid some perceived hurt or lashing out. Really it's a sea of Love, the whole show. It's a capacity for Unconditional Love that is being broken through, a breakthrough. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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