bnyland Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/14/2024 at 7:29 PM, James123 said: I have no idea, why? I just talk about consciousness, love and Truth. Why? That's what abuse of psychedelics will do to you... Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 1 hour ago, bnyland said: That's what abuse of psychedelics will do to you... Definitely true. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) On 5/18/2024 at 11:59 AM, Phil said: @James123 And not even. 🙂 I think I know what this is pointing to. You're saying Being (or what I refer to as the Self) belongs to no genus or category. Being is beyond words or thoughts. So it's not "and not even" -- it's "not even" because Being is attributeless. Of course things are said of Being such as Being is consciousness -- but that comes from excluding all other attributes (neti neti) not attributing anything. Thus the danger is in taking the nonduality away from Being by defining it in terms of attributes of body or attributes of mind. Edited May 23 by Joseph Maynor Quote Mention 💬 🗯️🤍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 @Joseph Maynor Yep. It’s like saying it ain’t that either. Not even vs and not even, come on. Such a nondualist. 😆 Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Phil said: @Joseph Maynor Yep. It’s like saying it ain’t that either. Not even vs and not even, come on. Such a nondualist. 😆 Maharshi talks about how neti neti is actually just a pointer because when you're doing neti neti you're assuming a subject-object duality in so doing. It's not this, It's not that. So when he uses the phrase Self-inquiry he means that more like Self-realization. Just that alone helped me -- realizing that neti neti is merely a pointer. Oterwise you end up thinking Consciousness is a thing that exists or Sat. But Consciousness is neither Sat or a-Sat (Non-existence) because those are genuses (as in genus) or categories and Consciousness is attributeless (has no attributes). If this is gotten wrong, people start to believe Consciousness is a thing that can be explored. It's like no no, Consciousness is the Witness to all that nonsense which is samasara. Attachment to knowledge of Consciousness is samsara because this is attachment to the mind which is connected with the body. It's a desire (craving) for knowledge of Consciousness. Edited May 24 by Joseph Maynor Quote Mention 💬 🗯️🤍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 @Joseph Maynor 🎤 Yes, totally. Neti neti is great but it’s not ultimately satisfying. At some pointless point, it seems like neti neti & the emotional scale are nothing more than walking yourself back yourself. And yes indeed to all that nonsense. 😅 So worthwhile though! Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooper Swam Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 On 5/15/2024 at 4:29 AM, James123 said: I have no idea, why? I just talk about consciousness, love and Truth. Why? It’s too threatening for other people’s egos. Sends them into a tail spin. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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