Phil Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Just now, James123 said: What about not knowing? How so? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted May 17 Author Share Posted May 17 5 minutes ago, Phil said: How so? How can one know anything? Including so called herself/himself? Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 @James123 One that can know anything would be a knower (subject) of things (objects). A knower would inherently be finite, as if there is a finite thing (known), by default there is no infinite, and therein I (as the knower) would be finite. But that doesn’t account for the awareness of subject-object & self-referential thoughts. One aware must be prior to these thoughts, as one is aware of thoughts. What is prior to & aware of thoughts? I am. Sometimes it seems it is said, “form = formless & formless = form”. That isn’t true, as I am appearing as thoughts. Nothing (me), appearing as something (thoughts). That which is apparent is not equal to that which is appearing, as that which is appearance… isn’t. Another thought, ‘relative truth’ could seem to account for this discrepancy, yet ‘relative truth’ is another object of thought, an apparent concept. It’s like saying there is nothing (formless) & something (form) and these two are one, or, oneness. It’s also like saying ‘becoming’, as in formless is becoming or becomes form. None of that is true either. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted May 17 Author Share Posted May 17 6 minutes ago, Phil said: @James123 One that can know anything would be a knower (subject) of things (objects). A knower would inherently be finite, as if there is a finite thing (known), by default there is no infinite, and therein I (as the knower) would be finite. But that doesn’t account for the awareness of subject-object & self-referential thoughts. One aware must be prior to these thoughts, as one is aware of thoughts. What is prior to & aware of thoughts? I am. Sometimes it seems it is said, “form = formless & formless = form”. That isn’t true, as I am appearing as thoughts. Nothing (me), appearing as something (thoughts). That which is apparent is not equal to that which is appearing, as that which is appearance… isn’t. Another thought, ‘relative truth’ could seem to account for this discrepancy, yet ‘relative truth’ is another object of thought, an apparent concept. It’s like saying there is nothing (formless) & something (form) and these two are one, or, oneness. It’s also like saying ‘becoming’, as in formless is becoming or becomes form. None of that is true either. İ definitely agree with you. Amazing brother, amazing 😍 😍 😍 Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 @James123 ♥️ QM’s is nice for dispelling the knower too. Apparently if you stick a cat in a box with an unpredictable radioactive substance, it’s not possible to know if the cat is alive or dead at any given time because the observer doesn’t know if the radioactive substance was triggered or not, thus killing the cat. It is said one would have to open the box to know. The experiment highlights the assumptions of there being an observer which knows, time, life & death. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 4 hours ago, Phil said: it’s not possible to know if the cat is alive or dead at any given time because the observer doesn’t know if the radioactive substance was triggered or not, thus killing the cat why not put a human why a cat Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 @Isagi Yoichi At the time it was believed there were 9 dimensions, and with the cat having nine lives they could run the experiment 8 more times yielding more comprehensive results. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 1 hour ago, Phil said: @Isagi Yoichi At the time it was believed there were 9 dimensions, and with the cat having nine lives they could run the experiment 8 more times yielding more comprehensive results. humans have 10 Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 @Isagi Yoichi They don’t have these where you live? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 1 hour ago, Phil said: @Isagi Yoichi They don’t have these where you live? Yeah but only 10 Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 @Phil Is there anything that's the opposite of love? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 @Isagi Yoichi No. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 @Isagi Yoichi Ignorance isn’t technically an opposite. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isagi Yoichi Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 2 hours ago, Phil said: @Isagi Yoichi Ignorance isn’t technically an opposite. Why technically?? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 @Isagi Yoichi Like how it might seem discord or suffering has an opposite like something that feels good. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnyland Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 4 hours ago, Isagi Yoichi said: @Phil I feel good about killing people and trying my new weapons FBI has entered the chat. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 5 hours ago, Isagi Yoichi said: @Phil I feel good about killing people and trying my new weapons Relax, stop saying such reckless things. Once you cool down you'll look back and realize how unnecessary it was. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted May 18 Author Share Posted May 18 21 hours ago, Phil said: @James123 ♥️ QM’s is nice for dispelling the knower too. Apparently if you stick a cat in a box with an unpredictable radioactive substance, it’s not possible to know if the cat is alive or dead at any given time because the observer doesn’t know if the radioactive substance was triggered or not, thus killing the cat. It is said one would have to open the box to know. The experiment highlights the assumptions of there being an observer which knows, time, life & death. Life=Love, enlightenment=before so called birth. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 @James123 And not even. 🙂 Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted May 18 Author Share Posted May 18 41 minutes ago, Phil said: @James123 And not even. 🙂 Definitely 😁 😁 😁 Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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