What is a thought?

[Robed Mystic]

10 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

From and advaita vedanta perspective, thought is exactly what leads you away from resting as the Self.  

Advaita Vedanta is very accurate indeed.  But don't get wrapped up in the concept of "advaita verdanta'...it can be turned into a religion. 

[Phil]

15 hours ago, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

I have an humiliation kink where I pay girls to mock me and humiliate me and take money from me. While it last I enjoy it a lot, I feel truly at the peaks of love and consciousness.

This is on behalf of the separate self of thoughts, which allegedly isn’t love / consciousness. 

 

15 hours ago, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

But when time passes and I remember those same women posting in social media I start to have the kind of thoughts I mean.

For whom there is time. 

 

15 hours ago, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

Is a kind of thoughts of utter complete pain, of almost annihilation, the funny thing is... I truly can not see what the thoughts are 'saying'.

For whom suffering is pain. 

 

15 hours ago, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

Today I was sitting very mindful of the thoughts, I was trying to get close to that nucleus of pain, to that karmic content, trying to see what really the thought is about.

For whom there is karmic content. 

 

15 hours ago, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

 

But I can not see it. I don´t understand why is there. There just seem to be this message of the thought of saying to me 'You are complete shit. just accept it, look at the facts, she´s mocking you. She's showing the money she took from you'.

For whom there are others. 

The one who didn’t give her money; the one whom money was taken from. 

 

15 hours ago, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

 

Of course is completely relative,

For whom there is a / the relative. 

 

15 hours ago, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

I chosed to play this game-kink with this woman, but the fact that is this kind of karmic repetitive very very sticky thought has been welded into my consciousness since I can remember.

For whom there is choice and karmic repetition. 

The one separate of consciousness, which has consciousness. 

 

15 hours ago, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

I even have a theory this kind of thought ("you are shit"), does not even come from my life but past life or karmic memory. 

For whom there is a past, past life and karmic memory. 

 

15 hours ago, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

I am contemplating stopping the yoga kriya practice, is complete useless for me to have amazing trascendental states but at the end of the day I can not really destroy this thought for good.

For whom yoga is useless.

The one who has / knows there are states of consciousness. 

The one who knows thoughts are things which can be destroyed & destroyed is not a thought.  

 

15 hours ago, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

If this kind of karmic thought would be dismantled my life would be heaven. Really, like there´s really no other problem in my life but this fucking shitty karmic thought which seems impossible to understand or dismantle. 

The one who knows it has a life, there are karmic thoughts, understanding & this is not heaven. 

 

15 hours ago, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

 

For some reason this kind of thought wants to tell me im utterly inferior and shit and is impossible to not belief it, it has a lot of 'proofs' always to make me believe it 100%. 

The one for whom there are kinds of thoughts, separate selves which are higher & lower, separate selves which understand and transcend, and not emotions. 

 

 

 

It seems spirituality can be interpreted in just such a way as to revolve around the separate self of thought. This is sometimes referred to as spiritual bypassing, aversion & suppression. 

[Robed Mystic]

5 minutes ago, Phil said:

This is on behalf of the separate self of thoughts, which allegedly isn’t love / consciousness. 

 

For whom there is time. 

 

For whom suffering is pain. 

 

For whom there is karmic content. 

 

For whom there are others. 

The one who didn’t give her money; the one whom money was taken from. 

 

For whom there is the relative. 

 

For whom there is choice and karmic repetition. 

The one separate of consciousness, which has consciousness. 

 

For whom there is a past, past life and karmic memory. 

 

For whom yoga is useless.

The one who has / knows there are states of consciousness. 

The one knows thoughts are things which can be destroyed & destroyed is not a thought.  

 

The one who knows it has a life & this is not heaven. 

 

The one for whom there are kinds of thoughts, separate selves which are higher & lower, and not emotions. 

 

 

 

It seems spirituality can be interpreted in just such a way as to revolve around the separate self of thought. This is sometimes referred to as spiritual bypassing, aversion & suppression. 

So what remains when the who is extracted?

[Phil]

Just now, Robed Mystic said:

So what remains when the who is extracted?

Extract: 

Remove or take out, especially by effort or force.

"the decayed tooth will have to be extracted".

 

Obtain (something such as money or an admission).

 

Obtain (a substance or resource) from something by a special method.

 

The separate self is thoughts, not a who / thing which could be extracted or obtain. 

[Robed Mystic]

2 minutes ago, Phil said:

Extract: 

Remove or take out, especially by effort or force.

"the decayed tooth will have to be extracted".

 

Obtain (something such as money or an admission).

 

Obtain (a substance or resource) from something by a special method.

 

The separate self is thoughts, not a who / thing which could be extracted or obtain. 

So the self is just thoughts but can't be extracted or obtained...so..then it's there as a thought?  If the self is thoughts then what are you?

[Robed Mystic]

On 5/2/2024 at 4:00 AM, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

It might seem a nonsensical question but I truly wonder.

What really is a thought? Is it awareness but in a limited way? 

 

Because I have never 'seen' a thought.

 

Is just like a conceptual compression in consciousness.

 

Something really weird. 

It's Infinity. 

[Robed Mystic]

On 5/2/2024 at 4:00 AM, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

It might seem a nonsensical question but I truly wonder.

What really is a thought? Is it awareness but in a limited way? 

 

Because I have never 'seen' a thought.

 

Is just like a conceptual compression in consciousness.

 

Something really weird. 

It's Infinity. 

[Robed Mystic]

On 5/2/2024 at 4:00 AM, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

It might seem a nonsensical question but I truly wonder.

What really is a thought? Is it awareness but in a limited way? 

 

Because I have never 'seen' a thought.

 

Is just like a conceptual compression in consciousness.

 

Something really weird. 

It's Infinity. 

[James123]

Just now, Robed Mystic said:

It's Infinity. 

How do you know?

[Robed Mystic]

On 5/2/2024 at 4:00 AM, ConsciousDreamer666 said:

It might seem a nonsensical question but I truly wonder.

What really is a thought? Is it awareness but in a limited way? 

 

Because I have never 'seen' a thought.

 

Is just like a conceptual compression in consciousness.

 

Something really weird. 

It's Infinity.  Expressing itself.. 

[Robed Mystic]

1 minute ago, Robed Mystic said:

It's Infinity. 

 Nothing to know.  It is.  Did I have to use a feature of Infinity to grasp and answer you - yes.  Intelligence.   But that too is just as miraculous and as mysterious as a thought.   What the fuck is understanding?  You can spend your entire life trying to understand what understanding is and you never will.  Because it's simply Infinite 

[Phil]

2 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:

So the self is just thoughts but can't be extracted or obtained...

Yes, exactly.

The separate self, the knower… of time, past lives, karmic content, a / the relative, a my consciousness, transcendence, other separate selves which transcend, and understanding… is actually an experience of apparent thoughts. 

 

None of those concepts pan out in perception or sensation. 

 

2 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:

so..then it's there as a thought? 

A separate self & a there are thoughts, which also don’t pan out in perception or sensation / there is no actual experience of either. There’s an apparent experience of the thoughts. 

 

2 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:

If the self is thoughts then what are you?

The separate self is actually thoughts. 

[Robed Mystic]

1 minute ago, Phil said:

Yes, exactly.

The separate self, the knower… of time, past lives, karmic content, a / the relative, a my consciousness, transcendence, other separate selves which transcend, and understanding… is actually an experience of apparent thoughts. 

 

None of those concepts pan out in perception or sensation. 

 

A separate self & a there are thoughts, which also don’t pan out in perception or sensation / there is no actual experience of either. There’s an apparent experience of the thoughts. 

 

The separate self is actually thoughts. 

But what really is an apparent experience?  What is appearance?

[Phil]

3 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:

But what really is an apparent experience? 

Appearance. 

3 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:

What is appearance?

Me being two spheres. 

[Robed Mystic]

3 minutes ago, Phil said:

Appearance. 

Me being two spheres. 

Only one sphere..the I am - or isness.  

[Phil]

5 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:

Only one sphere..the I am - or isness.  

The I am is one, infinite, not two... appearing as two (spheres), or amness being is isness. 

[Robed Mystic]

3 minutes ago, Phil said:

The I am is one, infinite, not two... appearing as two (spheres), or amness being is isness. 

But awareness is the I am and you've put it into the duality pool. 

[James123]

Just now, Robed Mystic said:

But awareness is the I am and you've put it into the duality pool. 

I am is the biggest illusion itself. 

[Phil]

Just now, Robed Mystic said:

But awareness is the I am and you've put it into the duality pool. 

That I am is one sphere is a self referential thought, as if the I am were known, on behalf of a knower. 

 

The assumption is that “I am separate”, and “there are other separate selves”, and “you”, a separate self, have put “it” (the I am which is not me) “into the duality pool”, which is actually two spheres. 

[Robed Mystic]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

I am is the biggest illusion itself. 

I also said isness.  I don't mean i in the sense of the ego.  I mean amness.  That's not a word.  Of course it's not. Language can't capture the Amness.