Floorcat Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I've been messaging Phil trying to dig into a few things & he thought it might be useful to post the messages as a thread. I still have some way to understanding but am hoping to get clearer on this. I'll lay the questions/answers out on this first post: Me: Hi Phil, I’ve just finished setting up my life to do consciousness work & like to keep my practices simple. Do nothing meditation with self inquiry is my preferred path, with exercise & yoga. Your description of self enquiry here: https://www.actualityofbeing.com/self-inquiry is the best I’ve seen and would suit my approach perfectly. When you say ‘Place your attention on the inner feeling of being "me”, I think I get that, there’s definitely that feeling around my chest/head area - a feeling of knowing that I am. Is that what you mean to rest my attention on and keep coming back to? Phil: Not the feeling of knowing… just feeling. It might be more clarifying to point out that ‘place your attention’ is a half step. The full step would be seeing through “attention”, and might sound like allow attention to sink into the source of “attention”. It might also be fruitful to explore sensation prior to the do nothing or self inquiry. This is essentially asking, ‘is there the presence of sensation in the bottoms of the feet?’ Then it is noticed directly, that there is. Then inwardly explore, ‘is this presence of sensation present throughout the entire body?’ Then it is noticed directly that it is. Then inwardly explore, attempting to find an ‘edge’ of sensation. Precisely where sensation begins and or ends. Then, take sensation off altogether, just like you would a pair of shoes or a jacket. Just set sensation aside. Me: Thanks Phil, very much appreciated 🙂 Lastly, although I prefer your method, some people suggest that self enquiry is continual questioning of the what the self is and gradually eliminating what it is not. Is this a different method to yours? Phil: That would be contemplating or contemplation. In self inquiry every thought is let go / the ‘answer’ is not going to be of thoughts. In do nothing, even letting a thought go would be a doing. Neti neti is a practice of labeling ‘not this’, ‘not that’. Me: Perfect, thanks Phil. I want to keep things simple - am I right that self enquiry & do-nothing meditation is all that’s needed? Phil: Needed for what? 🙂 Me: For awakening, to go through the process that you’ve gone through. Phil: Is that known, or believed? Me: Believed 🙂. My experience is that that Phil, this forum & anything outside my direct experience is imaginary. But I have a desire for more awakening and to pursue truth at a deeper level. This is all imaginary too of course, but putting that aside for a moment & allowing for second order practicality, I want to ‘fully’ awaken before I die, whatever that is. Of course I don’t even know what that is at present, I only can know that I’m in a much more awakened state than I used to be & there’s room for more awakening still. Allowing for the understanding that that’s also a mental projection, but one I have to rely on to some degree to peruse more awakening. Phil: That’s still believing it (whatever could be outside direct experience) is, but covering up the belief with the belief it’s imaginary. The first belief is my experience is (known). ‘Imagining away’ thought attachment doesn’t resolve thought attachment. Self inquire. Who has a desire? Desire is a thing you have? You’re a thing? The thing you are is in a state? Like, Ohio? What’s a “mental projection”? Me: OK I feel I have some way to go. As I get quieter and more present, it certainly feels like now is all there is and that even though I *feel* I know there's stuff outside that experience, i.e the garden, local town etc. they are not pictured in my experience. It feels like I've was previously carrying a 'world' inside my head that has disappeard and I'm not living that way any more. From what you're saying, this is definitely not 'it' and I haven't seen the truth of it - am I right that there's a step further that means the outside world really *doesn't* exist in actual fact, i.e. 100% unreal? For example I feel like I can walk into town now if I wanted to and experience all the shops - but that's all fantasy and can never happen? So there really *is* no town? It's all in my imagination and has no reality to it at all? So this is where we're at with the conversation. Apologies if I personally only answer to Phil as I'm hoping to take it further with him.. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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