Meta-Resource

[MetaSage]

A good example of “meta-source” is:

• Sloww.co.

The author compiles, and consumes from, very diverse sources of information.

Pretty useful. Stage yellow website.

You might want to head over his reading list.

[Faith]

@MetaSage Thank you. I'll have to check it out!😊

[Joseph Maynor]

 

[Joseph Maynor]

Take a look at this map.  It's a good one.  I don't know if I agree with Stage 6 but I haven't really studied the nuances of what she's saying yet either.   Look at Stage 5/6 too.  Her 2 highest stages are as follows:

Stage 5/6: Construct-Aware / Ego-Aware / Magician / Alchemist (fifth person perspective and beyond)
https://www.sloww.co/ego-development-theory-cook-greuter/#edt-stage-5-6

Stage 6: Unitive (cosmic, ego-transcendent or witnessing perspective)
https://www.sloww.co/ego-development-theory-cook-greuter/#edt-stage-6

SOURCE

Susanne R. Cook-Greuter's 2013 Research Paper:
"Nine Levels Of Increasing Embrace In Ego Development: A Full-Spectrum Theory Of Vertical Growth And Meaning Making"

http://onesystemonevoice.com/resources/Cook-Greuter+9+levels+paper+new+1.1$2714+97p$5B1$5D.pdf

Edited November 6 by Joseph Maynor

[MetaSage]

41 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Take a look at this map.  It's a good one.  I don't know if I agree with Stage 6 but I haven't really studied the nuances of what she's saying yet either.   Look at Stage 5/6 too.  Her 2 highest stages are as follows:

Stage 5/6: Construct-Aware / Ego-Aware / Magician / Alchemist (fifth person perspective and beyond)
https://www.sloww.co/ego-development-theory-cook-greuter/#edt-stage-5-6

Stage 6: Unitive (cosmic, ego-transcendent or witnessing perspective)
https://www.sloww.co/ego-development-theory-cook-greuter/#edt-stage-6

SOURCE

Susanne R. Cook-Greuter's 2013 Research Paper:
"Nine Levels Of Increasing Embrace In Ego Development: A Full-Spectrum Theory Of Vertical Growth And Meaning Making"

http://onesystemonevoice.com/resources/Cook-Greuter+9+levels+paper+new+1.1$2714+97p$5B1$5D.pdf

 

Nice, thank you. At this point those stages are fun intellectual considerations. It's a useful model, not to be taken seriously in the end in my estimation, as any other model.

[Joseph Maynor]

13 hours ago, MetaSage said:

 

Nice, thank you. At this point those stages are fun intellectual considerations. It's a useful model, not to be taken seriously in the end in my estimation, as any other model.

 

Exactly.  I realize that you don't need thought or belief for spiritual enlightenment -- but if you don't consider enough thought the sneaky mind creates a thought system for you based on the limited ideas you do have.  It's like paradoxically, the more thought you consider the more you have a thought-less mind.  So, I study to keep my mind blank.  People who don't study or have a bugaboo regarding study I find have a secret ideology that they don't want to shake loose.  These are the people that just parrot the same thing over and over and it gets annoying.  I see some of these people on Leo's forum.  I won't name names.  Even the blank mind thing or enlightenment doesn't require thought or belief can become an ideology too, so that has to be watched out for.  All that does is create spiritual ego which causes suffering.  The ways around this problem are kinda tricky.  I'm working on finding a narrative that addresses the issues I raise above in my new video.  It hasn't been easy.  It starts to happen like this: the doctor sees the world through the eyes of a doctor, the lawyer sees the world through the eyes of a lawyer, the spiritual guru sees the world through the eyes of a spiritual guru.  These people are all hunkered-down.  But spiritual enlightenment is not about hunkering down.  If you squeeze spiritual enlightenment too hard, you lose it.  It's like somebody giving you such a big hug that they kill you.   Then the question is, well then how do we teach and share about it!  That's a good question.  I'm considering that question myself.  I'm done telling other people what to do, including even arguing about this stuff.  Sharing in itself is an imposition on others too.  You have to ask yourself, what motivates me to share about spiritual enlightenment?  

Edited November 6 by Joseph Maynor

[MetaSage]

On 11/6/2023 at 1:42 PM, Joseph Maynor said:

Exactly.  I realize that you don't need thought or belief for spiritual enlightenment -- but if you don't consider enough thought the sneaky mind creates a thought system for you too.  It's like paradoxically, the more thought you consider the more you have a thought-less mind.  So, I study to keep my mind blank.  People who don't study or have a bugaboo regarding study I find have a secret ideology that they don't want to shake loose.  These are the people that just parrot the same thing over and over and it gets annoying.  I see some of these people on Leo's forum.  I won't name names.  Even the blank mind thing or enlightenment doesn't require thought or belief can become an ideology too, so that has to be watched out for.  All that does is create spiritual ego which causes suffering.  The ways around this problem are kinda tricky.  I'm working on finding a narrative that addresses the issues I raise above in my new video.  It hasn't been easy.

 

What you say might be true, I don't know. I've heard that this "enlightenment" stuff isn't graspable and yet it's possible for one to get conscious of the absolute. If it is direct then only direct will do. It seems to me that anything that's relative is indirect, so even though focusing the mind and contemplating are useful, among other practices, they won't do it for you. The best we can do is contemplating and staying open.

 

😉😉 (can't delete the emojis)

Edited November 8 by MetaSage

[Joseph Maynor]

"The Construct-Aware Stage of Ego Development and It's Relation to The Fool Archetype" by Susanne-Cook Greuter

https://integral-review.org/issues/vol_14_no_1_cook-greuter_construct_aware_stage_and_the_fool_archetype.pdf

 

Edited November 27 by Joseph Maynor

[MetaSage]

Susanne Jesus-Christ Greuter