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@Blessed2

Another good post, well said. 👍

 

There's no such thing as Nonduality because Nonduality is not a thing.

 

A face without a face. A mystery even to itself.

 

 

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

Just be what you really are and do not change for anyone. That time, you will find the true love. 

💯

 

Thanks James. ❤️

[Confusion about Rupert Spira quote]

10 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

The Self is not the senses or anything in the senses.
The Self is attributeless.
The Self is mode-less or modification-less -- this means that the self is not any form that can be experienced, what shape that has.

Similarity and difference are not-Self.  The senses and what appears in the senses are not-Self.

Another good one: The Self is undefinable and indestructible.

And you're the Self.  Everything else is false and illusory.

This all very well and good, very poetic.

 

But no one wrote this.

No one is reading this.

No one buys this or rejects this.

No one knows what they are talking about, and No one says I know what you are talking about.

 

Reality is Nothing, at most it’s completely Nihilistic by it’s very nature. 
 

Nothing it is and cannot be proven by anyone because there is no one to prove nothing. 
 

Nothing exists, literally absolutely nothing. Everything is simply the imaginings of imagination.

 

Everything is dead, because everything is nothing. 

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

39 minutes ago, James123 said:

All the matter is loving the situation either he wants to talk or not to talk. Both are identical. 

Yes, you are right, they are both identical.

 

This is heartbreakingly beautiful, it takes my breath away. ❤️👍

 

Thank you, I really needed to hear that today. 🙂

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

What about being effortlessness. Do not spend any effort on him, let everything go. You will see how everything will drastically change for you. Even if he talks or not talks to you, do not expect anything. Just love the thing that he does not want to talk to you. It does not matter he talks to you or not. All the matter is loving the situation either he wants to talk or not to talk. Both are identical. 

Thanks James. That’s brilliant advice. Truly appreciated. 👍

 

I’ve taken the decision to end our relationship. I don’t even want to be platonic friends with him because I know that will hurt not being able to be intimate with him.

 

The only solution for me is to be alone and cut off all intimate attachments and ties with him. I can’t deal with all the hurting. 
 

I’ve already explained all this to him that I can’t be with him anymore, and left it with I LOVE YOU
 

Is that bloody selfish of me or what? 

[After Awakening can we ever go back to living the matrix lifestyle?]

Serious question because I don’t think we can. It’s never going to be the same.

 

As the wise sage said : No one can survive their own awakening. In other words: No one in their right mind would want this. 
 

And yet it can be both uphoric and terrifying at the same time.

 

The old wise saying: Before and After enlightenment ..chop wood and carry water doesn’t seem to apply to me anyway… life is attachment and suffering no matter what you do.

 

For example: If attachment is suffering then are we to stop wanting children, we cannot say we are not attached to them. Also, having children, isn’t that just inviting more suffering into the world? 

 

Is there any escape from attachment and suffering?  I don’t think there is, to be honest.

 

[The eight fold path]

Then again, Love means never having to say your sorry.

 

According to UG Krishnamurti…Love is a filthy word, it implies two.

 

I am beginning to wonder if unconditional reciprocal love between two partners is even possible on earth. It’s as though once the honeymoon period is over, when we come back down to earth, back to reality…that’s when love starts to hurt like hell.

 

Hell is other people as they say.

 

What if the truth for Enlightened people is more shocking than they ever realised. The realisation that you are all alone in the world and that there is simple no one else who can give love to you, nor is there anyone else you can give love to.

 

Thats the stark realisation I’ve reached anyway. And I’m perfectly at peace with that. In fact it’s the peace that passes all understanding as the great wise sages have said.

 

✌

peace out!

 

 

 

 

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

9 hours ago, James123 said:

When you smell roses, do you expect something from rose? Or it just smells good? Same thing for human beings. Love the way that they are. Rest will come inevitably. 

I understand; but why do intimate relationships with others …hurt so much…for me they do anyway.

 

It’s like as soon as I tell my partner of 18 months some random spontaneous things ..like I want to do something that doesn’t include him, namely, I want to be alone for awhile….he responds by saying to me ( “don’t feel bad about it, I was expecting it, I hope everything works out for you” )

 

And then when I try to explain to him about why I don’t want to visit him anymore at the moment but would dearly love to keep open a line of communication between us …but then after a day or two,  I then change my mind and send a text to him …that asks, do you still want me to visit you? )……his reply asks, “ what’s changed” ? and when I try to explain to him by answering his question……it hurts me, why, because he  suddenly says to me, “let’s just leave it there for now.” It’s like he shuts off as if he is trying to protect himself.  In the moment I didn’t want to leave it there, I wanted to be totally transparent and talk about my real and true feelings ….not just leave it there, like he wanted to do.

Should I have just said ok let’s leave it there, when all I wanted to do was talk?

 

Its like he is not feeling secure with me because I keep changing my mind about whether or not I want to be alone, or be in a relationship with him, it’s as though he can’t handle me changing my mind sometimes about what I want. It’s as though he expects me to be more solid and certain about us as a couple,  as though he doesn’t want to be put in a situation where he’s not sure about what I’m going to want to do next. 
 

IDK,  I just feel confused in relationship with him, I am crazy about him, and the sexual chemistry between us is electrifying…but all I want to be, is free to be myself. But relationships tend to make me feel shackled even though I adore him …I can’t seem to feel relaxed with him. I recently said I wanted to shave all my hair off and be bald like a Buddha, and he responded with….” I won’t like that” ….so again I just don’t feel free to be myself.

 

I just don’t know how to be in relationships because I’m always feeling like I can never truly be myself with people. It’s like I have to play a kind of role that is expected of me before they’ll be accepting of me. And sometimes I just don’t think it’s worth the effort or bother, and that’s why I get the urges to be alone.

 

I would appreciate anyone reading this …to offer some advice…. Thanks. But it’s ok if you don’t want to say anything . I’ll understand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

Just now, James123 said:

Good night. Anytime!!! Thank you very much for the conversation. 

 

Peace!!!

You’re welcome. I enjoyed the conversation very much. 
 

 

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

Byeee for now James 

 

James, you have said some amazing stuff .  Much resonance here. Thanks. You can rest now. Goodnight. 

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

No problem whatsoever. Thank you very much too!!! Don't worry, i love you. 

🫢❤️ oh James I love you two 🫠😉

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

Definitely. 

Why don't you just love the other person without any expectations? 

Thank you that’s exactly what we have to do.

 

I’m capable of that kind of  love. 
 

But can we expect other people to love us unconditionally?

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

This cause suffering.

Love is already what now is. As you said before. 

We are always one, just so called attachments shows as two. 

Thanks for the conversation.

 

I understand you now.

 

Thanks for your patience and for sticking with me on this.

 

 

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

James. Are you saying that wanting love from another person is attachment and therefore is our suffering?

 

If yes, then is it better to avoid loving intimate relationships with other people, else we suffer because we have formed an aattachment to them?

 

 

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

9 minutes ago, James123 said:

 

What is the difference between what i said and what you said? 

I don’t know what you are talking about but I know exactly what you are talking about 😉

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

15 minutes ago, James123 said:

If I want love that's attachment, if I am a lover, I am is me.

Do you want attachment love?

Would that be love wanting itself, love loving itself?

 

Wouldn’t it be when you are making love to someone else, wouldn’t that just be love making love to itself?

 

Attaching to itself? 
 

of course this can only be known within the illusory dream of separation where the experience of separation longs to come together again? To become one again?

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

Completely opposite. Effortlessness inevitably brings the love. 

If there’s just love then there’s no opposite. Love has no opposite. Oneness has no argument with itself.

 

This is already effortless boundless unconditional freedom.

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

5 minutes ago, James123 said:

If I want love that's attachment, if I am a lover, I am is me.

Are these not all thoughts/ attachments?

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Jane

These are all thoughts / attachments.

So do you mean it takes a though to let go of a thought ?

 

It takes an attachment to detach from an attachment?

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41 minutes ago, James123 said:

Love is not the love you mentioned. Love is the thing that when there is nothing, literally "nothing", there is only love. 

Let’s talk about “attachment” 

 

Would you who is writing on this forum about letting go of attachments. I’m just curious now, would you let go of your attachment to your love interest- your lover? 

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

6 minutes ago, James123 said:

Love is the inevitable outcome of being nothing. 

Nothing is everything, already complete and whole, not needing or wanting or expecting anything, it’s already everything, literally everything.

 

Theres nothing everything can attach to, to make it anymore whole. There is nothing to let go of, you are already the absolute, already unconditional freedom and love.
 

You cannot know the beloved because you are the beloved. There’s only the beloved.

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

Love is not the love you mentioned. Love is the thing that when there is nothing, literally "nothing", there is only love. 

But then if there’s only the love that is nothing … then it’s just love letting go of love. Can love let go of love?

 

 

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

When there is no expectations you can completely be free. 

Feelings/Emotions arise unexpectedly. 
You can’t control how or what you feel in the moment which is always free to be.

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

8 minutes ago, James123 said:

Love is the answer of all problems / attachments. At least for me.

What about attachment to your love interest- your lover.

 

Would you let go of him/her?

[Why letting go is so difficult?]

3 hours ago, James123 said:

Why surrendering is so difficult for you? Worldly Achievement, attachment, expectations and satisfactions. Whatever you attach start to let go of them. Then be completely free.

You don’t have to let go or surrender anything. Just meet yourself where you are.

 

If tears,despair,depression or heartbreak comes to visit…LET THEM

 

If joy, estacy, happiness, laughter comes to visit…LET THEM

 

Its all you. 
 Let life break you, or make you, and just feel how that feels. It’s not like you can free yourself of yourself… you can’t do that.