[Let's clear this up]

1 hour ago, Serenity said:

The ego is an illusion. Therefore there is no identity to have.  And there is no teacher.

I agree.

 

1 hour ago, Serenity said:

The PM with Leo to an external eye look insane, because it point to the deepest truth there is: no self

Never said it was insane. The deepest truth cannot be spoken, therefore, verbal communication happens within a context. This context, as far as I can tell, didn't call for 'pointing to the deepest truth'.

1 hour ago, Serenity said:

Phil tried to help Leo see through the limitations of his own ego

Whose ego?

 

1 hour ago, Serenity said:

it takes deep effort to "see" and realize what's being said there

effort? By who?

 

 

The few times Phil has responded when I asked for advice, he was helpful every time. 

 

[Let's clear this up]

@Mandy I am no female, but yeah... good point. 
I do think that a group of people carry a collective ego that makes them behave and think a certain way. Of course all of this can be dealt with with a strong sense of responsibility and a strong vision, but that must include how to 'deal' with everything that feels out of alignment. That requires a lot of self-awareness. Few people have that.

@WhiteOwl @Nowt @Serenity and others
Your reactions were helpful. I agree. 

@Phil
I do think calling you a teacher is a sane thing to do. Denying you are a teacher in the conventional sense of the word seems inauthentic and it's unrealistic of you to think most people can hold that as true while simultaneously seeing you 'preach' the way you do. It reminds me a bit of Bentinho Massaro. I do very much appreciate how you, unlike Leo and Bentinho, don't act or speak like you are fundamentally more special or superior. 

It bothers me that you are not sharing your side of the story. Like I said, I understand the general motivation to create a new forum but this, in itself, doesn't undermine the validity of some of Leo's allegations. I don't want to be pushy, but, even whilst I bear in mind Leo is far from perfect, I don't think it's a stretch to think that the ways you acted are dubious as well. But then again, I haven't heard your side of the story. 

Some suggestions:

 what made you respond so unskillfully in your PM's with Leo? here it is: https://i.imgur.com/3WKAELm.jpeg

 How do you think this forum won't derail as well? Maybe in a different way than Leo's forum? For example, this forum being a case of 'the grass is always greener on the other side'? 

 What about clearly parroting Leo's forum in style and functionality?

 Recognizing Leo's annoyance with regards to you gathering most (?) of your forum members from his forum. Could you do that?

If I seem pushy, please tell me so. I just get annoyed with how people gloss over things like they are no big deal. 

[Let's clear this up]

3 hours ago, Phil said:

emptying of beliefs, healing, allowing - nothing.  

could you do some of this? A lot of opinions have been stirred up ever since you were demoted. And now more drama. What happened from your point of view?  This forum and you obviously have a strong Actualized history and I haven't heard what made you start a new one. You have based it on a vision but you haven't addressed the events that lead up to it. 

This forum could grow into a wonderful place to share and learn etc. But having not heard what happened leaves a sour taste in my mouth. One criticism people voiced was that you were too stuck in your teacher-role. I would agree with that. From what I've seen, you don't really teach via anecdotes and the corresponding lessons. 

3 hours ago, Mandy said:

Belief in self makes all happenings about it. The start of this forum isn't about anyone, it isn't against anyone. It's for anyone. 

Sounds good! But a group of people brings with it a bunch of 'belief in self'. So I think it's good to address it. This self is strongly connected to all the allegations Leo made, why this forum was created (personal anecdote from Phil), how it differs in its vision and how it thinks it will provide better leadership to actualize that vision. 

Maybe I am just taking all of this too seriously, but if it isn't very serious, why go through all this trouble to create a new forum? Surely if it isn't serious, the motivations for this must be selfish ones. Meaning: if this forum isn't intended for adding/creating/sharing something better than the Actualized forum, one is led to believe it is about 'replicating' the actualized forum and 'leeching' its members. 

[Let's clear this up]

https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/79259-warning-people-splintering-this-community-insta-banned/

I think it would be a bad start if this doesn't get cleared up here. I was in the loop to some degree, but not a lot. So please voice your thoughts on this, for me as well as for the sake of this entire forum.