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What do you all make of the terrible things in the world?

 

-like real, prevalent, REAL racism

-like non stop conflict in some parts of the world, they're third world war zones for decades

-the prevalence of selfish and unloving behavior, lying, cheating, stealing, greed, gluttony, envy, murder, hate

 

What's bothering me right now is how in "first world" countries we act like we're so evolved, yet the people, majority of people, act like animals, I see no love, no point, no hope.

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To me it's like, just let it all go, don't cling to any preconceptions you have of the world, it doesn't just look like it's going to burn to me, it looks like it is burning.

 

My take is let it go, try to be consciously living(try to be you), try to let go of your beliefs that contribute to it; greed, envy, jealousy, fear, let it burn, and just be loving(just be you).

 

It's sort of like when you go to see someone on their deathbed. 

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3 minutes ago, Phil said:

Careful not to use ‘that stuff’, or conceptualizing, to avert or suppress ‘this stuff’. Go directly to so to speak, ‘this stuff’. Embrace it, feel, inspect the actuality. 

Oooh, that's good thanks, I was definitely averting

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4 minutes ago, Phil said:

Is it seen how this / these relate?

Maybe, definitely not clearly though

 

"It is natural to not believe thoughts, I've just conditioned over and over again to do so"?

 

That's why I feel in alignment when I don't believe them and I feel discourse when I do, the discourse felt is,  conditioning felt?

 

Yeah. I'm not sure I see it

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2 hours ago, Devin said:

Oooh, that's good thanks, I was definitely averting

That phrasing, those two statements say a lot. Points right at the middle way. That there are not two and we are in This together. 

1 hour ago, Devin said:

Oooh, it's also a thought!!

Yes, ‘it’s’ always a thought, but of course to vilify thought would be going to far. Your aversion, my aversion, his, hers, is ‘leaving’ direct experience and ‘going into’ conceptualizing. 

11 hours ago, Devin said:

What do you all make of the terrible things in the world?

 

-like real, prevalent, REAL racism

-like non stop conflict in some parts of the world, they're third world war zones for decades

-the prevalence of selfish and unloving behavior, lying, cheating, stealing, greed, gluttony, envy, murder, hate

 

What's bothering me right now is how in "first world" countries we act like we're so evolved, yet the people, majority of people, act like animals, I see no love, no point, no hope.

This is quite similar to the age old philosophical question or pondering of if all is unconditional love, how is it that there is evil in the world. Conceptual self image via missing the conceptualized ‘separate self’ is only of thoughts is the means in which this occurs. Think of a serial murderer as representative of so called ‘evil’. If there isn’t evil because love is nondual, how does a Jeffrey Dahmer come about, how do these school shootings come about, why are there assault rifles in the first place? Even the nondual message or understanding can be purported via the aggrandizing of the self image and teaching of. Is it seen… the aversion within so to speak, intimately within the body, and the aversion without, collectively? 

 

This essentially….

 

 

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1 hour ago, Phil said:

That phrasing, those two statements say a lot. Points right at the middle way. That there are not two and we are in This together. 

Yes, ‘it’s’ always a thought, but of course to vilify thought would be going to far. Your aversion, my aversion, his, hers, is ‘leaving’ direct experience and ‘going into’ conceptualizing. 

This is quite similar to the age old philosophical question or pondering of if all is unconditional love, how is it that there is evil in the world. Conceptual self image via missing the conceptualized ‘separate self’ is only of thoughts is the means in which this occurs. Think of a serial murderer as representative of so called ‘evil’. If there isn’t evil because love is nondual, how does a Jeffrey Dahmer come about, how do these school shootings come about, why are there assault rifles in the first place? Even the nondual message or understanding can be purported via the aggrandizing of the self image and teaching of. Is it seen… the aversion within so to speak, intimately within the body, and the aversion without, collectively? 

 

This essentially….

 

 

I think so, everyone disliking what we have.

 

And this is what creates what we don't want

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5 hours ago, Phil said:

@Devin

Yes but more so in the identity sense. 

It's hard for me to see that aversion, I see a little bit.

 

Usually it's the letting go of something, some idea of what could have been, in those instances I see aversion away from the Truth, I hang onto the 'myself', like if I let go it's like death.

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This is like a world ego

 

I see I can effect my own life, but not the world

 

I also need to let go of my concepts of the world, just direct experience right now, it's infinity, infinite possibilities for what's around the corner-this lights me up

 

Once again, holding onto the concepts; the world is worthless, without; it's worth everything

 

Enjoy it, experience it, dreamboard it. Direct experience, infinity, infinite possibilities around the corner

 

Thinking the world will always be like this is a concept, a fallacy. As weird as this sounds, the impermanence makes me love how the world is right now, it wont be like this tomorrow, this day should be appreciated, exactly how everything is, hate and all

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On 10/27/2022 at 5:03 AM, Devin said:

What do you all make of the terrible things in the world?

 

-like real, prevalent, REAL racism

-like non stop conflict in some parts of the world, they're third world war zones for decades

-the prevalence of selfish and unloving behavior, lying, cheating, stealing, greed, gluttony, envy, murder, hate

 

What's bothering me right now is how in "first world" countries we act like we're so evolved, yet the people, majority of people, act like animals, I see no love, no point, no hope.

Is these things are exist while you sleeping?

"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

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