Devin Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) Do you think something like telling your child you love them is conditioning? "I love you" First it implies separate, you and I are separate, we are separate from love Second it implies you can love them, they can get love/loved, and they can lose love, be without love, be unloved Edited October 25, 2022 by Devin Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Is brushing your teeth every morning conditioning or self love and common sense? Quote Mention Youtube Channel Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mandy said: Is brushing your teeth every morning conditioning or self love and common sense? It's definitely conditioning, it's not self love, it is common sense Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 @Devin Is conditioning "bad"? When we use the word conditioning here don't we usually use it to mean patterns that perpetuate ignore suffering rather than healthy habits of expression? Quote Mention Youtube Channel Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Mandy said: @Devin Is conditioning "bad"? When we use the word conditioning here don't we usually use it to mean patterns that perpetuate ignore suffering rather than healthy habits of expression? Conditioning alone may not be bad. Is saying " I love you" healthy? Doesn't it imply separate? I and you and love? Perpetuating suffering implying you need to tell someone else your feelings like "you hate them" is not healthy is it? Isn't that the same type of expression? "I hate you", " I love you" you're feeling hate, you're feeling love, Do you love them? Or aren't you just love Perhaps you'd say it depends on if it feels discordant. But it's clear to me it implies separate, maybe it's subtle discord There's no Self love, there's Just love, love loving itself Edited October 25, 2022 by Devin Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 @Devin Is making music healthy? Is writing a poem healthy? Is exclaiming about how beautiful a rainbow is healthy? Felt separation is suffering. Appreciation and love is felt oneness, felt acceptance and expressions of this are just an expression of wholeness. Wholeness becoming more, ever expansion. Do you have some sort of personal hurt regarding this subject? Quote Mention Youtube Channel Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Mandy said: @Devin Is making music healthy? Is writing a poem healthy? Is exclaiming about how beautiful a rainbow is healthy? Felt separation is suffering. Appreciation and love is felt oneness, felt acceptance and expressions of this are just an expression of wholeness. Wholeness becoming more, ever expansion. Do you have some sort of personal hurt regarding this subject? I probably do have hurt regarding this, but I'm thinking about raising children and how to do a good job with that. Is saying " I love you" love? No, that's not love, expressing love, being love, does not require that at all. To express love would always require more than saying that, and never require saying it. I think it's unhealthy, conditioning the belief of separate Edited October 25, 2022 by Devin Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) I don't believe exclaiming how beautiful a rainbow is, is healthy It implies it has beauty, or that something could be not beautiful More unhealthy conditioning The rainbow doesn't cause the feeling of beauty, just feel the sensation, just be love Edited October 25, 2022 by Devin Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 @Devin Quote Mention Youtube Channel Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) See @Mandy, this judgment you have is likely from this unrecognized conditioning This is beautiful, ooh I love her, ....judgment/separation You're told/conditioned to think that's loving to do. You can't do love, you can't give it. Is not telling your kids you love them unloving? Why because others tell their children? Just be, love Be Edited October 25, 2022 by Devin Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 40 minutes ago, Devin said: Just be, love Be Is everything not already "just being"? 😁 It's like you're philosophizing and theorizing what a refreshing cold swimming pool on a hot day is or oughta be but not jumping in the actual pool right in front of you. And @Mandy is there, swimming, and staring back at you like "wtf are you talking about?" Just jump into the pool. Get out of your head. Quote Mention Everyone is waiting for eternity but the Shaman asks: "how about today?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Blessed2 said: Is everything not already "just being"? 😁 It's like you're philosophizing and theorizing what a refreshing cold swimming pool on a hot day is or oughta be but not jumping in the actual pool right in front of you. And @Mandy is there, swimming, and staring back at you like "wtf are you talking about?" Just jump into the pool. Get out of your head. Actually that's my point, saying" I love you", is 'being in your head instead of the pool' It's like judging the rainbow 'calling it beautiful' instead of enjoying it. Or calling the lake refreshing instead of enjoying it "I love you", just experience love, stay out of the head. Edited October 25, 2022 by Devin Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) You all really don't see any thread of unhealthy conditioning with saying "I love you"? Edited October 25, 2022 by Devin Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 @Devin I don't know what to say except, I love you. 2 hours ago, Devin said: I probably do have hurt regarding this, Tell me more. Quote Mention Youtube Channel Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Mandy said: @Devin I don't know what to say except, I love you. Tell me more. People have told me they loved me and also hurt me Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, Devin said: People have told me they loved me and also hurt me Is it truly an expression if it's not aligned? Is everyone aligned all of the time? Who can align with love and when can they do it? Quote Mention Youtube Channel Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mandy said: Is it truly an expression if it's not aligned? No 1 hour ago, Mandy said: Is everyone aligned all of the time? No 1 hour ago, Mandy said: Who can align with love and when can they do it? Love, now/when they experience it Edited October 25, 2022 by Devin Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) I just think people are conditioned by it in an unhealthy way and it's unnecessary Yes if Jesus told you he loves you I'm sure it was healthy Edited October 25, 2022 by Devin Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Devin said: No No Love, now/when they experience it 👍 1 minute ago, Devin said: I just think people are conditioned by it in an unhealthy way and it's unnecessary Yes if Jesus told you he loves you I'm sure it was healthy So only Jesus is allowed to say he loves people, cause only Jesus is allowed/trustworthy enough to be aligned with love? 🤔 This is going in a weird religious direction. Quote Mention Youtube Channel Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mandy said: 👍 So only Jesus is allowed to say he loves people, cause only Jesus is allowed/trustworthy enough to be aligned with love? 🤔 This is going in a weird religious direction. I was being funny, ha ha Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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