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Do you think something like telling your child you love them is conditioning?

 

"I love you"

 

First it implies separate, you and I are separate, we are separate from love

 

Second it implies you can love them, they can get love/loved, and they can lose love, be without love, be unloved

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24 minutes ago, Mandy said:

@Devin Is conditioning "bad"? When we use the word conditioning here don't we usually use it to mean patterns that perpetuate ignore suffering rather than healthy habits of expression? 

Conditioning alone may not be bad.

Is saying " I love you" healthy? Doesn't it imply separate? I and you and love? Perpetuating suffering

 

 implying you need to tell someone else your feelings like "you hate them" is not healthy is it? Isn't that the same type of expression? "I hate you", " I love you" you're feeling hate, you're feeling love,

 

Do you love them? Or aren't you just love

 

Perhaps you'd say it depends on if it feels discordant. But it's clear to me it implies separate, maybe it's subtle discord

 

There's no Self love, there's Just love, love loving itself

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@Devin Is making music healthy? Is writing a poem healthy? Is exclaiming about how beautiful a rainbow is healthy? Felt separation is suffering. Appreciation and love is felt oneness, felt acceptance and expressions of this are just an expression of wholeness. Wholeness becoming more, ever expansion. 

 

Do you have some sort of personal hurt regarding this subject? 

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44 minutes ago, Mandy said:

@Devin Is making music healthy? Is writing a poem healthy? Is exclaiming about how beautiful a rainbow is healthy? Felt separation is suffering. Appreciation and love is felt oneness, felt acceptance and expressions of this are just an expression of wholeness. Wholeness becoming more, ever expansion. 

 

Do you have some sort of personal hurt regarding this subject? 

I probably do have hurt regarding this, but I'm thinking about raising children and how to do a good job with that.

 

Is saying " I love you" love? No, that's not love, expressing love, being love, does not require that at all. To express love would always require more than saying that, and never require saying it.

 

I think it's unhealthy, conditioning the belief of separate

 

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I don't believe exclaiming how beautiful a rainbow is, is healthy

 

It implies it has beauty, or that something could be not beautiful

 

More unhealthy conditioning

 

 

The rainbow doesn't cause the feeling of beauty, just feel the sensation, just be love

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See @Mandy, this judgment you have is likely from this unrecognized conditioning

 

This is beautiful, ooh I love her, ....judgment/separation

 

You're told/conditioned to think that's loving to do. You can't do love, you can't give it.

 

Is not telling your kids you love them unloving? Why because others tell their children? Just be, love

 

Be

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40 minutes ago, Devin said:

Just be, love

 

Be

 

Is everything not already "just being"? 😁

 

It's like you're philosophizing and theorizing what a refreshing cold swimming pool on a hot day is or oughta be but not jumping in the actual pool right in front of you. And @Mandy is there, swimming, and staring back at you like "wtf are you talking about?"

 

Just jump into the pool. Get out of your head.

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14 minutes ago, Blessed2 said:

 

Is everything not already "just being"? 😁

 

It's like you're philosophizing and theorizing what a refreshing cold swimming pool on a hot day is or oughta be but not jumping in the actual pool right in front of you. And @Mandy is there, swimming, and staring back at you like "wtf are you talking about?"

 

Just jump into the pool. Get out of your head.

Actually that's my point, saying" I love you", is 'being in your head instead of the pool'

 

It's like judging the rainbow 'calling it beautiful' instead of enjoying it. Or calling the lake refreshing instead of enjoying it

 

"I love you", just experience love, stay out of the head.

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1 hour ago, Mandy said:

Is it truly an expression if it's not aligned? 

No

1 hour ago, Mandy said:

 Is everyone aligned all of the time? 

No

1 hour ago, Mandy said:

 Who can align with love and when can they do it? 

Love, now/when they experience it

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3 minutes ago, Devin said:

No

No

Love, now/when they experience it

👍

 

1 minute ago, Devin said:

I just think people are conditioned by it in an unhealthy way and it's unnecessary

 

Yes if Jesus told you he loves you I'm sure it was healthy

So only Jesus is allowed to say he loves people, cause only Jesus is allowed/trustworthy enough to be aligned with love? 🤔 This is going in a weird religious direction.

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4 minutes ago, Mandy said:

 

👍

 

So only Jesus is allowed to say he loves people, cause only Jesus is allowed/trustworthy enough to be aligned with love? 🤔 This is going in a weird religious direction.

I was being funny, ha ha

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