Faith Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 The comic joke It's a good topic. Sorry I didn't reply earlier to the topic itself. Anyways, here are a few emails on the matter from 2017 between me and my teacher at the time, Ted. Me: "Hi, I was reading your Satsang "what happens when we die" and had another question, if you don't mind. I wonder if a Jnani is only free for this current life? Meaning, the cycle of birth and death doesn't really end, because I'm awareness and it's awareness that keeps pumping out jivas and so long as that continues there will be identification as the ego slated for the next body grows and develops after birth. It all seems alittle pointless (Moksha), freedom from experience, if that knowledge is just for this lifetime? Then again, all we are dealing with right now is this lifetime. So, I guess the question is, we have to obtain Moksha in each new life? I know it won't be the same apparent person, but what's the point in Vedanta saying the cycle of birth and death will end, if it doesnt? Thanks" Ted: "Hi, Your suspicions are correct. While Vedanta says that moksha confers freedom from birth and death, this emancipation is not a matter of a “soul” (or what Vedanta refers to as the sukshma sharira, or subtle body) gaining some state of freedom, but rather is the result of assimilating the understanding that the self is already free and, thus, has never been born in the first place and, such being the case, is not subject to an ultimate demise. Having gained self-knowledge, the jnani realizes that her true identity is not the person she seems to be, but rather limitless conscious existence, and hence “becomes” free from the cycle of birth and death. Thus, moksha can be viewed from two perspectives. From the perspective of the jiva, moksha applies only to the present incarnation. From the perspective of the self (though actually the self has no perspective due to its impersonality and all-pervasiveness), moksha is its nature and, thus, the whole issue is a moot point. The reason Vedanta says that self-knowledge ends the cycle of birth and death is because through self-inquiry, the truth of one’s eternal nature is revealed. And the virtue of gaining such knowledge is that it ends the jiva’s suffering within the context of the present incarnation. Namaste, Ted" Me: "Hi Ted, Thank you for your quick reply. I don't know what the normal response is to realizing the info from the past email, but I find it very funny.. For whatever reason, as soon as you confirmed what I suspected I burst out laughing! And have been laughing on/off since.. Haha! Nameste" Ted: " Hi, I’m glad you’re laughing. You get the great cosmic joke! Namaste, Ted" Quote Mention You're a thought. Do you think a thought is going to occupy 'no thought'. The 'changeless' can be realized only when the ever-changing thought-flow stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 @Faith 😁 Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 The Cosmic Joke. No one is making you happier. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurthur11 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 On 10/1/2022 at 4:36 PM, Phil said: The truth is you are never going to be happy because it simply, fundamentally & literally is not possible. You’re never going to be aware. You’re never going to be conscious. You’re never going to be awake. You will never actually be kind, selfless, loving, whole or good because it’s impossible. No I don't believe you. Why? Why you will never going to be happy, aware, conscious, awake ? Why is this impossible? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 14, 2022 Author Share Posted November 14, 2022 @nurthur11 Water can’t be wet. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurthur11 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Phil said: @nurthur11 Water can’t be wet. It cant be this simple...what when we dive ourself into someone else? Can we fall in love? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 @nurthur11 Gravity can’t fall in love. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 The cosmic joke fundamentally is believing that anyone knows your life better than you do and substituting their heresay for your truth. Sure someone can be a light for you but you’ve got to grab that light yourself and walk a path inside of you to make anything out of it. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 27, 2022 Author Share Posted November 27, 2022 You’ll never have a life. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeah right Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 7:01 AM, Joseph Maynor said: The cosmic joke fundamentally is believing that anyone knows your life better than you do and substituting their heresay for your truth. Sure someone can be a light for you but you’ve got to grab that light yourself and walk a path inside of you to make anything out of it. Pretty sure thats not it. Says something about you though... I think the cosmic joke is you make all your own problems and suffer exactly as much as you desire to. Nothing really to with other people, except that however they "make" you feel is just however you, deep down, want to feel. Something like that, i think. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 Another good one. 🙂 You’ll never really have any problems. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almond Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 11 hours ago, yeah right said: Pretty sure thats not it. Says something about you though... I think the cosmic joke is you make all your own problems and suffer exactly as much as you desire to. Nothing really to with other people, except that however they "make" you feel is just however you, deep down, want to feel. Something like that, i think. yeah right. nobody wants to suffer, buddha said, 'life is suffering' (i dont have acosmic joke to share but i'm amused. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjuna Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 On 11/30/2022 at 7:33 AM, almond said: yeah right. nobody wants to suffer, buddha said, 'life is suffering' (i dont have acosmic joke to share but i'm amused. Unconsciously, you DO want to suffer. Otherwise you wouldnt. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 On 11/30/2022 at 7:33 AM, almond said: (i dont have acosmic joke to share but i'm amused. 49 minutes ago, arjuna said: Unconsciously, you DO want to suffer. Otherwise you wouldnt. On 11/30/2022 at 7:33 AM, almond said: yeah right. That Steven Wright straight faced slowly kinda creep up from behind cosmic joke. Delicious. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjuna Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Phil said: That Steven Wright straight faced slowly kinda creep up from behind cosmic joke. Delicious. Lol, steven wright, thats who @Phil looks like Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjuna Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 On 11/14/2022 at 5:24 PM, Phil said: @nurthur11 Water can’t be wet. Can water be dry? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 @arjuna Water can’t even be water. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 hour ago, arjuna said: Lol, steven wright, thats who @Phil looks like So true. Whenever I grow my hair out I get stopped in the streets for autographs. I tell em I’m not Steven Wright and they think I’m just funny like that. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjuna Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 On 12/16/2022 at 2:52 PM, Phil said: @arjuna Water can’t even be water. What can water be? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 @arjuna The setup. Apparently. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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