Phil Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 For the fun of self-exploration - there’s no ‘right & wrong’ here. Whatever comes to mind. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 9 Author Share Posted August 9 Conditional love for example can be very convincing. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 There being an illusion would imply that there's something that's the real version of it, which would imply two things, no? An illusion and a non-illusion? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 9 Author Share Posted August 9 Real wouldn’t be a version of an illusion. That would still be illusory. An illusion is seemingly not reality as in what actually is, therein there is isn’t two things or even one such as a duality of illusion and non-illusion. ‘That’ would still be illusory. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 I guess language is the most convincing aspect of illusion then. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 9 Author Share Posted August 9 That’s a nice one! Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 That it seems to be encouraged and perpetuated by others. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 9 Author Share Posted August 9 Oh yeah! That’s a good one! Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Yes, extremely convincing. Also the belief that there is a world or anything even happening at all is rampant! But at the same time its not 😉 Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reena Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 minute ago, Orb said: Yes, extremely convincing. Also the belief that there is a world or anything even happening at all is rampant! But at the same time its not 😉 I wonder what mechanism lies underneath both happening simultaneously. Quote Mention So basically I'm an autistic INFJ BPD sigma Pisces female with anger and CPTSD issues. Wow wow. My plate looks full. I Couldn't have been weirder than that. Now I get why I'm so idiosyncratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Just now, Reena said: I wonder what mechanism lies underneath both happening simultaneously. It's like layers of beliefs like the layers in an onion. Basically the belief in identity, then the belief in others, then a belief that we are in something called a world/place/universe/etc. It's insanity lol. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Knowing and not knowing. 😂 Quote Mention I am the playful and ever-present Source, joyfully embracing every thought and emotion as part of my perfect, unfolding co-creative dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivankiss Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 Tangibility. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 10 Author Share Posted August 10 Consistency. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivankiss Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 Familiarity. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reena Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 1 minute ago, ivankiss said: Familiarity. Perfect. Quote Mention So basically I'm an autistic INFJ BPD sigma Pisces female with anger and CPTSD issues. Wow wow. My plate looks full. I Couldn't have been weirder than that. Now I get why I'm so idiosyncratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 Desire is illusory as well. Desire/Want implies wanter and the wanted. It's not that we are freed from Desire. It's that Desire never existed in the first place. We mistake the Bliss of our True Nature for the thoughts arising about whats wanted. It's a bit mind-loopy. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 (edited) To be honest. The most convincing illusions are nightmares to me. I have them quite often and despite them being basically just in my head I sometimes wake up with full on panic attacks. They don’t last that long, but still, the fact that it even happens at all is fascinating. For example. I just recently dreamed of getting shot and killed via gunshot to the chest. It felt so incredibly real Edited August 10 by Marcel Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 10 Author Share Posted August 10 @Marcel The Luggage Analogy. ♥️ Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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