Orb Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 My number one issue with the LOA lingo is that it is often very much thought-oriented. The idea is this: Thoughts have a certain vibration, so it would make sense that If certain thoughts (vibrations) arise and repeat, they begin to attract things that are of equal vibration. This sounds really nice and it's definitely an inspiring notion, but deep down theres something very unstable about this notion. It doesn't make sense that thought can be consistently repeated and seems similar to the illusion of control (If I think the same thing all day, or If I think all the good thoughts and not the bad ones, then Ill get everything I want!). Yet 100% in direct experience manifestation is very clear, without a doubt manifestation is the case. It's very clear that "I" write my own story. "It" is so clear that it even feels off to utter words like "manifestation" or "I write my own story" because the actuality is so much "closer". My issue isn't whether manifestation is possible or not, it's in the approach. I dont find it helpful in my experience to cooperate in the cosmic creative process primarily by way of thought, because in my experience thoughts are very random. I can honestly say I have never experienced the LOA ideal of experiencing a consistent thought pattern that "feels good" everyday and then the momentum builds and everything I want happens. Sensation feels much much much closer to home than thought, just thinking about it feels good. It feels like returning back home. It's just home, its primary, it is primordial, it is HOME. It actually feels way better to let go of LOA all together. Seriously. Trying to find a way to get objects/experiences by way of LOA or manifesting feels so off. Trying to get anything feels off. By "trying to get objects" im referring to focusing on thought activity about obtaining objects btw. Here's some LOA pointers that resonate with me the most: - Stay cool calm collected, always prioritize relaxation and stress relief. - Feeling is Home - Relish in the moments when Inspiring thoughts are arising, really enjoy them! - Daily meditation is a must - Daily Physical Exercise/Expression is a must This is "my story" and I wrote the non-existing rules right here. Perhaps because this is "my story" id rather just learn how to better and better and better cooperate in the creative process of what I Am by further discovering my Self? Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted August 4 Author Share Posted August 4 Btw, there isn't anyone manifesting anything. theres only cooperation. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Here’s some themes that could considered and discussed as the more subtle, deep & nuanced aspects of loa are experienced: Vibration vs. Stability Control vs. Effortlessness Self-criticism vs. Self-recognition Thoughts and Feelings vs Feeling Appearing as Thoughts Randomness vs. Consistency as the Unfolding of Momentum External Experience Being Prior vs Internal Experience Being Prior Separation vs. Alreadyness Effort vs. Natural Unfolding & Allowing / Doing vs Directing or Orchestrating (‘flow’) Self Control vs. Separate-Selflessness Apparent, Illusory Intellect vs. Reality of Direct Experience Interested to hear if anything comes to mind. 🙏🏼 Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 There's no LOA ideal, like there's no gravity ideal. Are there some beliefs that might have interpreted LOA to be about an achievement or and ideal for a person in itself? Is it not hilarious to see LOA in action, to see momentum in action? Does it really say anything about you? Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 13 hours ago, Phil said: Here’s some themes that could considered and discussed as the more subtle, deep & nuanced aspects of loa are experienced: Vibration vs. Stability Control vs. Effortlessness Self-criticism vs. Self-recognition Thoughts and Feelings vs Feeling Appearing as Thoughts Randomness vs. Consistency as the Unfolding of Momentum External Experience Being Prior vs Internal Experience Being Prior Separation vs. Alreadyness Effort vs. Natural Unfolding & Allowing / Doing vs Directing or Orchestrating (‘flow’) Self Control vs. Separate-Selflessness Apparent, Illusory Intellect vs. Reality of Direct Experience Interested to hear if anything comes to mind. 🙏🏼 Everythings unraveling, nothing makes sense anymore. I sat down for an hour just "allowing" (even the word allowing is meaningless, theres no one to allow anything) and stuff that I can't put into words was unfolding. I can't see where I begin or end, I can't see any distinctions anymore. Nothing makes sense. Attracting things seems completely delusional because there were never things to attract in the first place, therefore it should have never been called Law of Attraction, although I can see it was called that precisely to "attract" passers-by when in reality it is more like The Law Of Being. I can't see Self anymore, the notion fades away more and more. The word "Self" is comforting because it feels like some sort of stable core, a kind of center of gravity for all of creation, but the Actuality of Being is not a stable core nor is it unstable. When I first started typing this response there was some kind of energetic response but I stopped for a second and recognized that theres nothing off or anything to be resolved. I think the story of Jesus is an incredible pointer and one of the best ones. Here it seems like I was brought into this world only to "remember" im not of this world. Now it seems like im Growing Up all over again but at a cosmic scale, gradually opening up the capacity for feeling/love more and more, I am Feeling. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 9 hours ago, Mandy said: There's no LOA ideal, like there's no gravity ideal. Are there some beliefs that might have interpreted LOA to be about an achievement or and ideal for a person in itself? Is it not hilarious to see LOA in action, to see momentum in action? Does it really say anything about you? Sure there are some beliefs revolving around the idea of people attracting things, but this is exactly the way it's commonly worded on YouTube and stuff. I think it was communicated in this way in order to attract passers-by. 9 hours ago, Mandy said: Is it not hilarious to see LOA in action, to see momentum in action? Does it really say anything about you? I dont know what this is, what I am, etc. Even the notion of "Momentum", theres no movement or sequence of events, theres no beginning or continuation of some-thing that is increasing, such that it would be called momentum. This is why im clueless, I just dont see any of these things anymore. Anytime I start entertaining LOA I eventually just fall back into Being. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 13 hours ago, Phil said: Randomness vs. Consistency as the Unfolding of Momentum 🙏🏼 Theres no sequence of events or continuity but this one grabbed the attention of the entire universe, so theres some significance here, I'd like to go into this. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 @Orb What comes to mind in that regard? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 3 hours ago, Phil said: @Orb What comes to mind in that regard? I've never experienced consistency in a good way Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 @Orb What’s the evidence to the contrary? What’s “in a good way”? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 2 minutes ago, Phil said: @Orb What’s the evidence to the contrary? What’s “in a good way”? In a good way meaning, making more and more money, getting healthier and healthier. It's kinda been ups and downs. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 6 minutes ago, Phil said: @Orb What’s the evidence to the contrary? What’s “in a good way”? I've had some consistency in healthy habits, but it's nothing mind-blowing or exciting. At least not rn Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 14 minutes ago, Orb said: In a good way meaning, making more and more money, getting healthier and healthier. It's kinda been ups and downs. What’s the evidence you’re making less & less money and your health is deteriorating? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 19 minutes ago, Orb said: I've had some consistency in healthy habits, but it's nothing mind-blowing or exciting. At least not rn You had consistency? WTF’s This, separate of that consistency you had? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Seems like this: ”Contrivance just doesn’t resonate”. ”There’s a past”. 🤷♂️ Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 32 minutes ago, Phil said: What’s the evidence you’re making less & less money and your health is deteriorating? My sleep has been very off and I've been using nicotine and kratom. I'm gonna have to cut that off. On the other hand I'm working everyday and I love it. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 @Orb Are you saying that is evidence of making less and less money and deterioration of health? It doesn’t seem like it. Am I not connecting the dots here? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 11 minutes ago, Phil said: @Orb Are you saying that is evidence of making less and less money and deterioration of health? It doesn’t seem like it. Am I not connecting the dots here? I think the evidence is pointing in an amazing direction, I just don't feel super excited all the time. It feels pretty ordinary to me. Maybe once you become rich and start really seeing the success then you feel way more excited. If that's what momentum means. It's different when the current situation doesn't match what you desire. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 @Orb Is there an experience of all the time? Is there an experience of you becoming (changing)? Is there an experience of experience becoming (changing)? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 31 minutes ago, Phil said: @Orb Is there an experience of all the time? Is there an experience of you becoming (changing)? Is there an experience of experience becoming (changing)? No Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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