What Is / Are Mind Games?

[Phil]

As a thread starter, a conversation with GPT…

https://chatgpt.com/share/09bf492a-1cf9-4308-83d3-4b501fee72b6

 

Input:

What’s the definition of mind games?

 

GPT4:

Mind games are psychological tactics used to manipulate or control someone’s behavior, emotions, or thoughts. These tactics can include misleading statements, playing on insecurities, feigning ignorance, or deliberately causing confusion to gain an advantage or assert power over the other person.

 

Input:

What would this look like in terms of spirituality?

 

GPT4:

In terms of spirituality, mind games can manifest as subtle manipulations of beliefs, emotions, or perceptions to control someone's spiritual journey or understanding.

 

This might involve:

 

Gaslighting: Making someone doubt their spiritual experiences or insights.

False Authority: Claiming spiritual superiority to manipulate others' beliefs or actions.

Spiritual Bypassing: Using spiritual concepts to avoid addressing genuine emotional or psychological issues.

Conditional Acceptance: Offering spiritual guidance or community acceptance only if certain behaviors or beliefs are adopted.

Mystification: Obscuring simple truths with complex or esoteric language to create dependence on the manipulator for understanding.

 

These tactics undermine genuine spiritual growth and can cause confusion and dependency.

[Phil]

One introspection question of self inquiry would be… 

 

What is the actuality, the direct experience of mind games? 

[Reena]

Trying to modify someone's perception to their own. 

[Phil]

@Reena

Perception, or maybe interpretation of perception? 

Whatcha think?

[Reena]

17 minutes ago, Phil said:

@Reena

Perception, or maybe interpretation of perception? 

Whatcha think?

Both. 

[Phil]

@Reena

But…

All interpretations are experienced within your perspective…

and there are no perspectives in interpretations.

 

Isn’t it so?

[Reena]

1 minute ago, Phil said:

@Reena

But…

All interpretations are experienced within your perspective…

and there are no perspectives in interpretations.

 

Isn’t it so?

Then your interpretation is the direct result of your perception. Someone else's perception is thus left out and not accounted for which is unfair to whom the perception is being forced upon. 

[Phil]

43 minutes ago, Reena said:

Then your interpretation is the direct result of your perception. Someone else's perception is thus left out and not accounted for which is unfair to whom the perception is being forced upon. 

But again…

As all interpretations are experienced within your perspective, and there is no experience of perspectives in interpretation(s)…

 

That there is ‘your perception’ (as in someone else’s) is a directly experienced interpretation, and isn’t actually a second perspective, or an experience of another perception. It’s an experience of thought, of an interpretation. Thus, no one’s perspective or perception is actually left out - it doesn’t exist in the first place. 

 

In your perspective (as in direct experience), there might the interpretation of, someone else’s interpretation… and still that would be a directly experienced interpretation as well. 

 

Much more so, the emphasis is on the reality of your perspective (as in direct experience) being the only actual perspective. 

All to the contrary *would be* - mind games. 

Mind games are not actually found in - direct experience. 

 

[Reena]

2 minutes ago, Phil said:

But again…

As all interpretations are experienced within your perspective, and there is no experience of perspectives in interpretation(s)…

That there is ‘your perception’ (as in someone else’s) is a directly experienced interpretation, and isn’t actually a second perspective. 

Thus, no one’s perspective is actually left out - it doesn’t exist in the first place. 

In your perspective, there might the interpretation of, someone else’s interpretation… and still that would be a directly experienced interpretation as well. 

Much more so, the emphasis is on the reality of, your perspective being the only actual perspective. 

All to the contrary *would be* - mind games. 

Mind games are not actually found in - direct experience. 

 

If there exists a mind, what's a mind game? The only reasonable explanation to "mind games are not actually found in direct experience" would be that there is no mind. Is it like that? 

[Phil]

4 minutes ago, Reena said:

If there exists a mind, what's a mind game? The only reasonable explanation to "mind games are not actually found in direct experience" would be that there is no mind. Is it like that? 

Yes exactly.

 

There isn’t actually “mind” in direct experience.

So it’s not that there is, and there is someone who doesn’t know and could find out, know or understand.

It’s just that there isn’t (in accordance with direct experience).

 

No mind is direct experience, and isn’t a perspective, perception, nor interpretation. 

[Jane]

Hell

[WhiteOwl]

Internal dialogue. Thinking about the past or the future. Most thoughts really. 

[ivankiss]

Mind games is pretending that both the mind and the game are anything more than a thought. 

[Serenity]

A limitation on the unlimited.

[WhiteOwl]

9 hours ago, ivankiss said:

Mind games is pretending that both the mind and the game are anything more than a thought. 

What does it look like to pretend that something is more than a thought? Believing it? Would it be pretending then?

[WhiteOwl]

On 7/31/2024 at 3:32 PM, Phil said:

These tactics undermine genuine spiritual growth and can cause confusion and dependency.

You mean in relationships or self-deceptive mind games. Could refer to the same thing i guess.

 

The self taking credit and making an identity out of everything. What a mind game. 

[Phil]

@WhiteOwl

Yes, exactly… in totality.

 

Mind games, whether of thoughts, relationships, manipulation, deception, spirituality, etc, are one-in-the-same as expressions of misalignment within the lens-sphere. The content is apparent and ever-changing. There is no separate 'other'; these are projections within consciousness, from lens-sphere to world-sphere. Recognizing them dissolves them and the illusion of separation as well, revealing the pure unconditional love you actually are.