Orb Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 In meditation I noticed something quite profound on the nature of sensation, it is inherently empty. What do I mean from empty? No I dont mean empty as in not-full. By emptiness I mean fundamentally having no way of particularly being. I dont know much about physics but the wave/particle duality idea resonates a lot with this topic. Sensations have no particular way of being, they are not solid at all or have any essential form(There are no distinct things called sensations but for the sake of clarity ill mention sensations). Thus, sensation is inherently empty of any essence whatsoever, and this is where things seem paradoxical, because the Substance of reality is inherently empty yet the Substance is very much Fullness. Every day for some period of time I like to sit down and just BE fully, even at work, I investigate sensation, and the more this unfolds the more everything is clearly "seen" to be....nothing 🙂. Pay attention to any sensation, notice how it doesn't have any actual shape, and notice how it isn't an object or it. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enlightened Cat Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 (edited) It becomes especially obvious in complete darkness, I gotta say. Most of our thoughts are essentially just about visual boundaries being illuminated it seems. Probably why they say to close your eyes, but being in an actual pitch black room is even better IMO. Something cool you can do is sitting down or laying down, closing your eyes, and then asking "which way is up and which way is down?", and then realizing that there is no experience of directions. Edited July 23 by Enlightened Cat Quote Mention Describe a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted July 26 Author Share Posted July 26 On 7/23/2024 at 2:01 PM, Enlightened Cat said: It becomes especially obvious in complete darkness, I gotta say. Most of our thoughts are essentially just about visual boundaries being illuminated it seems. Probably why they say to close your eyes, but being in an actual pitch black room is even better IMO. Im curious, what do you mean by this? Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enlightened Cat Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 1 hour ago, Orb said: Im curious, what do you mean by this? If there is no visual perception of a chair, what does that leave of the chair? We make mental objects out of visual distinctions like colors, shapes, etc. For example, if I ask you what the shape of a chair is, you will give an answer to what it looks like. By removing the "looking" aspect, it loses its definition. In darkness, there is nothing to really think about because everything is formless, so it prevents the mind from objectifying the perceptions which are in direct experience. Quote Mention Describe a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted July 26 Author Share Posted July 26 7 minutes ago, Enlightened Cat said: If there is no visual perception of a chair, what does that leave of the chair? We make mental objects out of visual distinctions like colors, shapes, etc. For example, if I ask you what the shape of a chair is, you will give an answer to what it looks like. By removing the "looking" aspect, it loses its definition. In darkness, there is nothing to really think about because everything is formless, so it prevents the mind from objectifying the perceptions which are in direct experience. Oooh gotcha, so if im getting it right youre referring to how thought creates an overlay of dimensionality? I think I understand now thank you for clarifying! Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reena Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 22 minutes ago, Enlightened Cat said: If there is no visual perception of a chair, what does that leave of the chair? We make mental objects out of visual distinctions like colors, shapes, etc. For example, if I ask you what the shape of a chair is, you will give an answer to what it looks like. By removing the "looking" aspect, it loses its definition. In darkness, there is nothing to really think about because everything is formless, so it prevents the mind from objectifying the perceptions which are in direct experience. Seems similar to an experience on psychedelics. Quote Mention So basically I'm an autistic INFJ BPD sigma Pisces female with anger and CPTSD issues. Wow wow. My plate looks full. I Couldn't have been weirder than that. Now I get why I'm so idiosyncratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enlightened Cat Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 16 hours ago, Orb said: Oooh gotcha, so if im getting it right youre referring to how thought creates an overlay of dimensionality? I think I understand now thank you for clarifying! Pretty much. Quote Mention Describe a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enlightened Cat Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 16 hours ago, Reena said: Seems similar to an experience on psychedelics. Thoughts are quite magical as it is. The dark just helps you realize that. Quote Mention Describe a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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