Thoughts

[Devin]

I invite anyone for discussion, this is going to be for my randomish thoughts that I think may resonate with others

 

 

When you doubt infinity, everlasting 'life', lose hope, disappointed; consider what will come of your 'story' no matter how it turns out great or terrible, what will be of your story in a thousand years, your impact in 100 years? You won't be remembered, even Jesus is argued about what he believed or stood for. And what does it matter to you anyway if you just die after this life and all of your consciousness ceases to exist, what would anything matter, so why not live in joy, not worried about outcome, just try what you want, do what you want, I don't mean Instagram wants like money power or women, I mean right now in the moment what would you do if you have all eternity, unlimited Mario lives, unlimited do overs, what would you do in this moment?

Edited September 20 by Devin

[Devin]

"Courage is knowing something bad may happen but going forward anyway, stupidity is the same thing, it's called courage if it turns out well, and stupidity if it doesn't "

Edited September 26 by Devin

[Devin]

I always struggle with deciding where to live; where's a great culture, I love the landscape and architecture of Switzerland, but the people are not warm, sort of surprisingly Americany. Somewhere desolate, no, I'd rather just travel a bit than do that, it seems the best is to just grow some roots somewhere not terrible and spread your 'territory' in a way.

 

I get so bored, I feel like there should be so much more zest for life by people, they're all just zombies, slaves, cogs, predictable, scared, not alive.

 

I disagree with the communion idea, I think It's a fairy tale, everything you need you already have, you don't need people, you're chasing a fairytale, a lie, people are boring, 

 

I dunno, stay open minded, but both ways

Edited September 26 by Devin

[Orb]

@Devin Communion can seem scary for the ego, because youll be forced to face your own triggers and also the vulnerability that comes with opening up to others. It feels like being helpless.

[Devin]

In the winter you must generate your own heat.

 

In the world you must generate your own peace.

[DMT Elf]

Should anyone call themself “enlightened” or “awake”?

The obvious answer is no. It’s simply not socially acceptable. But if being socially acceptable “fitting in” is your only goal, then you’re probably not awake anyway. But you probably want others to think you’re awake, right? So you act in a way that you imagine an awake person would act in the hope that others will begin to recognize your undeniable wokeness. If others believe you’re awake, then maybe you can believe it too..? Idk, I guess that’s the idea. Of course you still know that you’re a phony, but as long as others don’t know it, you’re golden. But what if you actually think you’re awake? Wouldn’t it be more honest to just call yourself awake? Maybe, but people generally won’t believe you. Calling yourself awake is obnoxious, and awake people aren’t supposed to be obnoxious. Should you care? Idk. It’s sort of edgy and rebellious in a weird sort of way to declare yourself awake. Maybe it’s worth doing precisely because it doesn’t sit well with people. Why doesn’t it sit well with people though? Why isn’t it socially acceptable to call yourself awake? I mean, supposedly selves don’t become enlightened anyway, so what’s the big deal? People don’t really believe that though. Enlightenment is more or less a power game. It shouldn’t be too shocking to acknowledge that. I mean, all of life is a power game, so obviously spirituality is as well. And there’s a lot of power in getting people to believe you’re enlightened. If people believe that then you have a lot of social influence. Your opinions will be highly regarded, and your view of reality will become the mainstream view of reality. You’ll become the “guiding voice of sanity” among people who can’t yet think for themselves. So it’s not all about egotism. It often is, but more generally it’s about power. Not that that’s a bad thing. Power isn’t necessarily nefarious. It can be used nefariously, but it can also be used for good. Even in radical examples where you can make a case that truth was prioritized over power, there’s still an argument that it was always about power. What about Socrates? After his trial, someone came to his cell and offered him escape and asylum. He declined and willingly accepted death instead. So, Socrates clearly put truth and justice first. But also, isn’t willingly dying a massive power play? It worked out for him that way. Over 2000 years later, every philosophy 101 class has a chapter of Socrates. Not that he could have predicted that.. but still. Honestly I’m not even sure if truth and power are separate. It seems more like power defines truth almost. Is it a power play to call yourself enlightened? I guess. It’s a bit like calling the emperor out for being naked. Anyone can do it, but you’ll be called a fool by the masses. If you don’t care about being called a fool, then fine. Call yourself enlightened. It’s like throwing a wrench in the machine. It’s a middle finger to the sky. It’s an act of defiance. Or it’s just cringe. I mean, you’re supposed to try to make people think you’re enlightened, right? That’s the whole game. But you’re supposed to be subtle about it. You’re supposed to be covert. The whole game is that you need to convince people without seeming like you’re trying to convince people. It’s about convincing people to think about you a certain way without seeming like you care what they think. It’s very counterintuitive. It’s a very tricky game. The subtle art of convincing people you’re enlightened so that you can manipulate people into thinking a certain way. Then again, maybe there’s not actually a game being played. Maybe you just want to share whatever wisdom you’ve picked up in a space where people might listen. It might be completely innocent in that way. But you can’t trust people who seem to have innocent intentions. They’re the most dangerous of all. They might only seem to have innocent intentions, but actually be highly skilled at playing the game of manipulation. Is it ever truly possible to know someone else’s intentions? I would argue no. You always must have your guard up around people who you trust the most. The more you trust someone, the easier it will be for them to backstab you. This is how dangerous cult leaders get away with exploiting their devotees. It’s how corrupt politicians and businessmen get away with using their power selfishly. Too much trust, not enough scrutiny. Then again, frankly, people are too dumb to scrutinize effectively. Either powerful people are given complete trust, or people will want their head on a spike. There’s no middle ground. Complete black and white. People are either angels or devils and there’s no middle ground. No room in between for a bit of humanity. Obviously this also happens with spiritual gurus. Some of them are labeled corrupt cult leaders, and others are regarded as angels who can do no wrong. People are too caught up in this to realize that both gurus are sharing the same fucking message. The only message is NOW! But not really “now” is a thought… derp! “Be here now” says Ram Dass. “The power of now” says Eckhart Tolle. “I’m god and I’ve awoken to alien consciousness” says Leo Gura. “I don’t care what you say, they’re all saying the same thing” says me. Lol. The message is always now regardless of what anyone even says. And there’s no separate selves. Except when there are. Like now. You’re all separate selves. Maybe one day I’ll be free of you, but that day isn’t today. Curse my inability to wake up to oneness. I’ve absorbed spiritual dogma up to my ears and still failed to integrate the most important part. Unity. Should I call myself enlightened? Yes, I’m still on this. I guess it would be a lye. But saying I’m not enlightened would be more egotistical than saying I am since it’s just conformity. I guess calling yourself enlightened is kinda lazy. It’s like being edgy for no reason. It accomplishes nothing. I can hold my middle finger up to the sky and say “FUCK YOU GOD”, but it doesn’t change my life in any meaningful way. I’ve lost track of what I was even writing about. I wanted to write something, but this has turned into an unhinged ramble. If you’ve made it this far, I’m sorry for wasting your time.

 

P.S. Eckhart Tolle has also awoken to alien consciousness. The only reason he doesn’t talk about it is because he knows it would ruin his reputation if he did.

[Devin]

Seeking communion is the same as choosing to join everyone else in their prison.

 

*I'm tired, and disheartened, don't think I ate enough today.

Edited September 27 by Devin

[Orb]

7 minutes ago, Devin said:

Seeking communion is the same as choosing to join everyone else in their prison.

 

*I'm tired, and disheartened.

This is holding back the love from flowing through you. Whats bothering you right now? What thoughts are bugging you?

[Devin]

15 minutes ago, Orb said:

This is holding back the love from flowing through you. Whats bothering you right now? What thoughts are bugging you?

Having a pessimistic view about people. I don't think I ate enough today either though, but I think that's just brining it out more not causing it. I just....

 

Thanks, I needed that.

 

Weird(but typical) thought loop, " people need to be this way then I would enjoy them", lol, so stooopid.

 

I have a desire, and I know how to work towards it. Just need some good food and rest and relaxation, didn't get to rest this weekend.

 

Thanks as always Orb.

Edited September 27 by Devin

[Orb]

20 minutes ago, Devin said:

Weird(but typical) thought loop, " people need to be this way then I would enjoy them", lol, so stooopid.

Our beliefs don't discriminate between self and other so what's believed about others can be believed about you too.

 

Is there a way you think you should be before feeling like you're worthy of love? 

 

I'm not sure either just looking into this right now. 

 

Sometimes triggers come up in me too around people, what if The triggering can be loved along with the person. 

 

Why not allow both? 😌 

[Devin]

I definitely want to be a certain way.

 

Sometimes I want to be loved but really in general I don't believe in that. I want healthy relationships though, and I do believe I need to be a certain way for that.

 

Hmm, love the trigger 🤔🤔🤔

[Orb]

12 minutes ago, Devin said:

Hmm, love the trigger 

Love = Unconditional

 

Pretty much allowing it fully to pass through. 

 

If love ever had a desire I'd say it's just to flow through all things unhindered. 

[Phil]

It would be really cool to become enlightened and be loved. When I imagine it, it just seems like man, wow, how awesome that would be! 

[Blessed2]

16 hours ago, DMT Elf said:

Should anyone call themself “enlightened” or “awake”?

The obvious answer is no. It’s simply not socially acceptable. But if being socially acceptable “fitting in” is your only goal, then you’re probably not awake anyway. But you probably want others to think you’re awake, right? So you act in a way that you imagine an awake person would act in the hope that others will begin to recognize your undeniable wokeness. If others believe you’re awake, then maybe you can believe it too..? Idk, I guess that’s the idea. Of course you still know that you’re a phony, but as long as others don’t know it, you’re golden. But what if you actually think you’re awake? Wouldn’t it be more honest to just call yourself awake? Maybe, but people generally won’t believe you. Calling yourself awake is obnoxious, and awake people aren’t supposed to be obnoxious. Should you care? Idk. It’s sort of edgy and rebellious in a weird sort of way to declare yourself awake. Maybe it’s worth doing precisely because it doesn’t sit well with people. Why doesn’t it sit well with people though? Why isn’t it socially acceptable to call yourself awake? I mean, supposedly selves don’t become enlightened anyway, so what’s the big deal? People don’t really believe that though. Enlightenment is more or less a power game. It shouldn’t be too shocking to acknowledge that. I mean, all of life is a power game, so obviously spirituality is as well. And there’s a lot of power in getting people to believe you’re enlightened. If people believe that then you have a lot of social influence. Your opinions will be highly regarded, and your view of reality will become the mainstream view of reality. You’ll become the “guiding voice of sanity” among people who can’t yet think for themselves. So it’s not all about egotism. It often is, but more generally it’s about power. Not that that’s a bad thing. Power isn’t necessarily nefarious. It can be used nefariously, but it can also be used for good. Even in radical examples where you can make a case that truth was prioritized over power, there’s still an argument that it was always about power. What about Socrates? After his trial, someone came to his cell and offered him escape and asylum. He declined and willingly accepted death instead. So, Socrates clearly put truth and justice first. But also, isn’t willingly dying a massive power play? It worked out for him that way. Over 2000 years later, every philosophy 101 class has a chapter of Socrates. Not that he could have predicted that.. but still. Honestly I’m not even sure if truth and power are separate. It seems more like power defines truth almost. Is it a power play to call yourself enlightened? I guess. It’s a bit like calling the emperor out for being naked. Anyone can do it, but you’ll be called a fool by the masses. If you don’t care about being called a fool, then fine. Call yourself enlightened. It’s like throwing a wrench in the machine. It’s a middle finger to the sky. It’s an act of defiance. Or it’s just cringe. I mean, you’re supposed to try to make people think you’re enlightened, right? That’s the whole game. But you’re supposed to be subtle about it. You’re supposed to be covert. The whole game is that you need to convince people without seeming like you’re trying to convince people. It’s about convincing people to think about you a certain way without seeming like you care what they think. It’s very counterintuitive. It’s a very tricky game. The subtle art of convincing people you’re enlightened so that you can manipulate people into thinking a certain way. Then again, maybe there’s not actually a game being played. Maybe you just want to share whatever wisdom you’ve picked up in a space where people might listen. It might be completely innocent in that way. But you can’t trust people who seem to have innocent intentions. They’re the most dangerous of all. They might only seem to have innocent intentions, but actually be highly skilled at playing the game of manipulation. Is it ever truly possible to know someone else’s intentions? I would argue no. You always must have your guard up around people who you trust the most. The more you trust someone, the easier it will be for them to backstab you. This is how dangerous cult leaders get away with exploiting their devotees. It’s how corrupt politicians and businessmen get away with using their power selfishly. Too much trust, not enough scrutiny. Then again, frankly, people are too dumb to scrutinize effectively. Either powerful people are given complete trust, or people will want their head on a spike. There’s no middle ground. Complete black and white. People are either angels or devils and there’s no middle ground. No room in between for a bit of humanity. Obviously this also happens with spiritual gurus. Some of them are labeled corrupt cult leaders, and others are regarded as angels who can do no wrong. People are too caught up in this to realize that both gurus are sharing the same fucking message. The only message is NOW! But not really “now” is a thought… derp! “Be here now” says Ram Dass. “The power of now” says Eckhart Tolle. “I’m god and I’ve awoken to alien consciousness” says Leo Gura. “I don’t care what you say, they’re all saying the same thing” says me. Lol. The message is always now regardless of what anyone even says. And there’s no separate selves. Except when there are. Like now. You’re all separate selves. Maybe one day I’ll be free of you, but that day isn’t today. Curse my inability to wake up to oneness. I’ve absorbed spiritual dogma up to my ears and still failed to integrate the most important part. Unity. Should I call myself enlightened? Yes, I’m still on this. I guess it would be a lye. But saying I’m not enlightened would be more egotistical than saying I am since it’s just conformity. I guess calling yourself enlightened is kinda lazy. It’s like being edgy for no reason. It accomplishes nothing. I can hold my middle finger up to the sky and say “FUCK YOU GOD”, but it doesn’t change my life in any meaningful way. I’ve lost track of what I was even writing about. I wanted to write something, but this has turned into an unhinged ramble. If you’ve made it this far, I’m sorry for wasting your time.

 

P.S. Eckhart Tolle has also awoken to alien consciousness. The only reason he doesn’t talk about it is because he knows it would ruin his reputation if he did.

 

Interesting.

 

Just wondering...From whom, and in what kind of situation did you hear about enlightenment for the first time? What do you remember feeling / thinking then?

[Jonas Long]

Anyone who says they are enlightened on an online forum definitely isn't. 

[DMT Elf]

3 hours ago, Blessed2 said:

 

Interesting.

 

Just wondering...From whom, and in what kind of situation did you hear about enlightenment for the first time? What do you remember feeling / thinking then?

I guess the first time I heard about it would’ve been from my mom when I was a kid. She was into all kinds of new age stuff. Crystals, chakras, etc.. she had a whole room in the house that she called her “sacred space” that was full of brightly colored blankets and big crystals and lots of other stuff like Buddha statues and the like. Anyway, she explained enlightenment as this thing monks worked towards. It made them completely emotionally unmovable, and allowed them to produce states of bliss at will. She also had some highly eccentric trust fund baby friends who were completely whacky about spirituality.

Anyway, I never took any of it seriously or even payed it any mind. I just wrote it off as something weird my mom was into. I guess I became more interested after philosophy 101 my freshman year. We didn’t use the word “enlightenment” in that class, but we talked about plenty of related concepts. The cave allegory for example..

Edited September 27 by DMT Elf

[DMT Elf]

2 hours ago, Jonas Long said:

Anyone who says they are enlightened on an online forum definitely isn't. 

This is only half true. Once you wake up, you won’t be on the forum anymore. You might still post, but you won’t be here. There won’t even be a forum anymore. 

[Jonas Long]

1 hour ago, DMT Elf said:

This is only half true. Once you wake up, you won’t be on the forum anymore. You might still post, but you won’t be here. There won’t even be a forum anymore. 

There already isn't a forum and nobody is already not here.  

[DMT Elf]

49 minutes ago, Jonas Long said:

There already isn't a forum and nobody is already not here.  

Apparently so. Although I’ll admit that you really had me going for a while. I truly believed you were just an unhinged AF insane person spouting shit on a forum to cope with your overwhelming disdain for all life. 😂 You’re good, man. Respect. 🤙

Edited September 27 by DMT Elf

[Jonas Long]

4 minutes ago, DMT Elf said:

Apparently so. Although I’ll admit that you really had me going for a while. I truly believed you were just an unhinged AF insane person spouting shit on a forum to cope with your overwhelming disdain for all life. 😂 You’re good, man. Respect. 🤙

I'm not not doing that.