When Women take their makeup off

[Devin]

It always throws me off how different women look from makeup on to off, does this mess with you other guys? I know it's shallow psychological crap but it affects me, and I think the woman picks up on it too and it makes her feel insecure.

 

And I don't even deal with really high maintenance women that do crazy makeup, it's like just the basics, most women tend to use foundation slightly different than their real skin tone. I think it's mostly the foundation for me.

Edited August 23 by Devin

[Orb]

It depends, if it's a girl that's really my type she'll be hot no matter what in my eyes. 

 

But yea some girls that aren't my type just look different without makeout, just not my cup of tea lol.

[Devin]

5 minutes ago, Orb said:

It depends, if it's a girl that's really my type she'll be hot no matter what in my eyes. 

 

But yea some girls that aren't my type just look different without makeout, just not my cup of tea lol.

Hmm, for me I feel like it would be this way with most women that wear makeup, they look my type when I meet them and then it's just, it's like you ever see those videos of dogs not recognizing their owner after they shave, I have that feeling, it sucks. I wish women didn't wear makeup, I think It's bad for their skin anyway.

Edited August 23 by Devin

[Orb]

@Devin dude, reminds me of something hilarious. 

 

there was this super hot girl in my class and i used to get really nervous around cute girls, then one day i saw her and she didnt have any makeup on and she didn't have her weave on and I literally thought she was a different person, I was so confident when I was talking to her. 

[Devin]

33 minutes ago, Orb said:

@Devin dude, reminds me of something hilarious. 

 

there was this super hot girl in my class and i used to get really nervous around cute girls, then one day i saw her and she didnt have any makeup on and she didn't have her weave on and I literally thought she was a different person, I was so confident when I was talking to her. 

LOL

[Devin]

@Orb that's one thing I like about hippy yoga girls, no makeup. I think I almost need to just go for no makeup girls, it really bothers me that much.

[Orb]

@Devin the greatest makeup is a good diet 😄

[Devin]

It really is.

 

 

I'm so scared that I'll be in the bedroom with a girl and will lose attraction, I feel like that would be so devastating to her. I've already felt that a little and it makes it difficult to cuddle afterward, like I feel bad afterward because I wasn't super attracted without makeup.

 

I'm going to try no makeup girls, I live in the Midwest though and they're uncommon here.

Edited August 24 by Devin

[Reena]

It really reeks of insecurities. Some of which I suffer as well. As women we're constantly judged for our looks. It's hard to not be bothered by it at all when your entire existence you've been picked on some way or another and either your family or friends, exes, or men in public have always made some references to your appearance, mostly in a judgemental fashion, women constantly comparing each other as well, it's hard to live that way, being under a microscope even as an average woman, what emerges out of such insecurities is coping behavior like excessive makeup etc. I do makeup myself. I can look slightly prettier with makeup and that gives me a boost of confidence. Days when I don't put make up on, makes me feel dull inside. 

[Devin]

9 minutes ago, Reena said:

It really reeks of insecurities. Some of which I suffer as well. As women we're constantly judged for our looks. It's hard to not be bothered by it at all when your entire existence you've been picked on some way or another and either your family or friends, exes, or men in public have always made some references to your appearance, mostly in a judgemental fashion, women constantly comparing each other as well, it's hard to live that way, being under a microscope even as an average woman, what emerges out of such insecurities is coping behavior like excessive makeup etc. I do makeup myself. I can look slightly prettier with makeup and that gives me a boost of confidence. Days when I don't put make up on, makes me feel dull inside. 

I feel bad for women that this is still a thing, about ten years ago there was anti makeup sentiment but I don't notice it now. To me it's oppression, not intentional just out of ignorant tradition like suppressing males feelings. I think future generations will look back at it just like we do for when women were discouraged from being more than a homemaker.

[Mandy]

You wish women wouldn't wear makeup, yet you have issues staying in the vibration of appreciation, love and attraction in the absence of makeup, suddenly after intimacy? 

 

On 8/23/2023 at 9:12 PM, Devin said:

I'm so scared that I'll be in the bedroom with a girl and will lose attraction, I feel like that would be so devastating to her.

Maybe it's not a reflection of her? 

 

Maybe there's some mask you're wearing you'd like to take off and know you'd still be loved?

 

 

 

 

[Mandy]

 It's definitely the Foundation. 😂 

[Devin]

15 minutes ago, Mandy said:

You wish women wouldn't wear makeup, yet you have issues staying in the vibration of appreciation, love and attraction in the absence of makeup, suddenly after intimacy? 

 

Maybe it's not a reflection of her? 

 

Maybe there's some mask you're wearing you'd like to take off and know you'd still be loved?

 

 

 

 

Not just after, whenever the makeup is off, which is far less often than when it is on, I just feel guilty after.

 

I don't really feel loved to begin with, but yeah I'll bet there's something with me.

[Devin]

26 minutes ago, Mandy said:

 

 

 

 

Women do all that crap to their skin and it winds up worse than men's, I don't understand it.

Edited August 25 by Devin

[Devin]

37 minutes ago, Mandy said:

 It's definitely the Foundation. 😂 

How would you feel if he wore a huge toupee and fake full beard and took it off at night?

 

I mean it messes with dogs that are 90% smell based, so it's not completely about being shallow.

Edited August 25 by Devin

[Devin]

 

[Mandy]

58 minutes ago, Devin said:

How would you feel if he wore a huge toupee and fake full beard and took it off at night?

 

I mean it messes with dogs that are 90% smell based, so it's not completely about being shallow.

There's no "real" way in which you can present yourself. We're all frauds. Growing, aging and death, life itself is all taking off the mask. Base instinct like in the example of an animal afraid of someone wearing a hat, is the same slavery as not being able to watch a food commercial without ordering or craving it. Falling for makeup and all the other tricks to sell attraction is the same thing. Better to concern oneself only with vibrational attraction as there's no one who can BE attractive or unattractive. There's nothing wrong with makeup and saying that there is is just as limiting to people as believing one must wear it to be _________. Makeup is self expression and art, it's for her and not you.

 

I'm with you on the foundation thing, never understood the purpose of it, and how it wasn't horrible for skin, except in some cases. By the way,  in my artistic opinion it's eyes and lips where you really change your face and grab attention, 90% all about the eyes. I was just making a word play on Foundation though, in the foundation of what we think we are, taking ourselves to be material and therefore taking the body to be the separate self. I absolutely agree with the sentiment that I wish that society was more ok with accepting us as we are but it's come SO far over my lifetime, and you gotta accept yourself and give yourself the freedom before you expect anyone else to do the same for you. 

[Devin]

1 hour ago, Mandy said:

 Makeup is self expression and art, it's for her and not you.

 

Following social norms is the opposite of self expression, it's social connection, just look at how different women groups do their makeup the same way as the other women in their circle. That's like saying men wear sports memorabilia as self expression.

 

Women tend to not do their makeup when they'll be staying home alone.

 

Doing eyes and lips a little is like earings to me. It really seems to be foundation.

 

I'm attracted to women without makeup, hot yoga instructor type, makeup wearers put me off even initially actually, all i wonder constantly is what's under the mask, when she takes it off will i devastate her. like saying you're not attracted to guys that wear Klan hoods( joking, haha. I picked up the foundation joke)

It's shallow of WOMEN to wear makeup.

Edited August 26 by Devin

[Mandy]

12 hours ago, Devin said:

It's shallow of WOMEN to wear makeup.

As temping as it can be to moralize our own preferences, do you really want to follow suit of Christianity, and many religious groups and sects? Plenty of "spiritual leaders" and denominations offer "guidance" that tells women that God wants them to dress a certain way or refrain from make up or hair cuts because that's what "God" (cough cough ahem) "likes". 😬 Cover it up or never cover it up. Shave your hair off, or never touch it. 

 

What's the real motivation behind that? 

[Phil]

This might be a great introspective opportunity to ‘flip the script’ on yourself. If what’s really wanted is a deeper emotional connection but you’re not quite yet comfortable being vulnerable you might be projecting a more surface level offering of intimacy accessibility & relationship engagement onto the topic or issue of make up. It’s quite synchronistic. Sort of like how you definitely notice dentist’s offices when you have a toothache, but when you’re freed & relieved you don’t even notice them. When deeper emotional intimacy & vulnerability is allowed the make up ‘issue’ likely wouldn’t even cross your mind. 

 

The inquiry about ‘does a person need hard times for great growth’ might be related or even the same curiosity about vulnerability playing out along a different avenue. What is the ‘growth’ that’s sought really & does it come from or is it caused by objective experience or is it more of an allowing of the layers of your self to fall away. Interestingly imo, financially speaking the terms growth & appreciation are synonymous and always interchangeable. A concern for keeping the make up on might actually be a desire to being taking it off, like a seeking for growth might actually be a wanting to allow deeper appreciation. But of course that’s a bit of a free fall into not knowing but finding out just how beautiful you really are beyond all appearances. 

 

Relationship wise, how beneficial openness, vulnerability, authenticity and genuine expression are is truly impossible to articulate. In terms of co-creating and manifesting your dreams and your dream together, it’s like going about it as the tips of ice burgs, entire ice burgs, or the true power of unconditionality as the ocean. 

 

There is a great discovery which lies just prior to a mental paradox with regard to vulnerability and empowerment. If what’s worked so far is rowing, it can be challenging to put down the oars and trust in the nature of the current. It’s by far more challenging to the walls we’ve innocently created to do this together, but it’s also by far the greater depth & richer and more fulfilling experience.