Question for Staying in Alignment

[Orb]

Is it a constant practice of keeping an eye on thoughts and allowing thoughts that feel good? 

 

Wouldn't that be effort? If every second I was making sure aligned thoughts came up? 

 

Curious to hear your views on this. Thanks.

[Phil]

3 hours ago, Orb said:

Is it a constant practice of keeping an eye on thoughts and allowing thoughts that feel good? 

Thoughts are already effortlessly appearing and felt. The thought about this being a constant practice, and the thought about this not being a constant practice, arise effortlessly and are felt, isn’t it so? One just resonates a little more. 

 

Thoughts aren’t separate from creation. All the ‘evidence’ that could ever be sought is already self-evident / in plain sight. Rivers run, wind blows, clouds rain, animals are eating & mating, planets are orbiting, stars are imploding & exploding. Nothing is hidden. Where is there any effort? Where is the nature of this questioned in the first place?

 

Only in the so called mind. ‘Man has no place to lay his head’… man doesn’t fit into this… because all of the thoughts about there being “man”, or “identity”, are also Creator-Creating-Creation. You don’t fit in to this, because you’re being this. 

 

🔘= 🌎+⚪️🔭🤍

 

3 hours ago, Orb said:

 

Wouldn't that be effort? If every second I was making sure aligned thoughts came up? 

 

Curious to hear your views on this. Thanks.

The I that is or isn’t efforting, that is or isn’t making sure… is thoughts. A conceptualization of this, and a little bodily contraction… as these thoughts too are felt. 

[Orb]

@Phil there are some environmental triggers that have nothing to do with thought. Like I Used the scale and felt positive expectation but when people pass by a adrenaline response comes up. 

[Orb]

@Phil a think a good distinction to make is between emotion and primal instinctive reactions. Like if a bear is chasing me the fear response has nothing to do with thoughts lol 

[Orb]

@Phil there's a bit of a tug of war going on. 

 

Positive thoughts like "It's all working out." Don't feel as good as I thought they would. I went for a walk earlier and used the emotional scale and made it to optimism, but the heat of the sun and the body being sweaty was too much to feel good about anything. 

 

Pessimistic thoughts like "this is bs its not gonna work" feel a lot more pronounced compared to the more positive thoughts. I'm just disappointed because I read your emotional scale page and I expected to be high as fuck from getting to optimism, I was expecting to be in another dimension of complete happiness. 

[Mandy]

@Orb What's your timeline for expecting that to happen? 

[Orb]

@Mandy for expecting what?

[Mandy]

@Orb This 

43 minutes ago, Orb said:

I'm just disappointed because I read your emotional scale page and I expected to be high as fuck from getting to optimism, I was expecting to be in another dimension of complete happiness. 

 

[Orb]

Once again I tried using the scale last night and this morning and came to the conclusion that it doesn't work. When I drink coffee, I feel an obvious shift in experience, I don't feel that with the scale. 

 

Also, thought is a lot more complex than its made out to be on this forum. 

 

I tried using the scale but thoughts are all over the place, there's music, random conversation, random memories, on top of the emotional scale thoughts. 

 

The scale always makes me feel more frustrated and angry than before I tried using it. 🙃 like I want to punch someone in the face right now.

[Orb]

@Mandy no specific time, I got up to optimism and it just got repetitive and dumb. I felt like a cocaine rat always pushing a button to feel good, why should I rely on thoughts to feel good? 

 

Isn't meditativeness 100 times better than thinking your way to happiness?

[Orb]

@Mandy thought is also unstable, the idea that you can sustain a certain train of thought is so egoic it makes my blood boil. It's like thinking you can make all the clouds in the sky the same shape. It's unnatural.

Edited July 22, 2023 by Orb

[Mandy]

6 minutes ago, Orb said:

@Mandy no specific time, I got up to optimism and it just got repetitive and dumb.

Frankly you aren't being honest about what emotion you're in. If optimism feels repetitive and dumb that's discouragement or frustration, and impatience not optimism. 

 

I would suggest writing without any manipulation of self or other or means to an end thinking involved, write not trying to get responses from anyone on this forum, not trying to get sympathy or advice, just write, train of thoughts, honestly. If after writing it occurs to you what emotion you might be in, a glance at the scale, if it doesn't don't. 

[Mandy]

lol train of thoughts language got attracted there. 😂

 

What's a train of thought, it's one. thought. at. a. time. Yet there are no units of thoughts, no one thought so it's a flow. A channel. It's the train of clouds going by, watching every cloud. Allowing every cloud. Same as meditation. It's another way to watch every thought, not being a cat in litterbox with them, burying it and hiding it cause it stinks less that way, but is still "there" stinking, undealt with. HONEST expression is cleaning the litterbox, it's really dealing with the shit, not burying it so the box looks clean. 

[Orb]

@Mandy I followed all the steps. 

 

I woke up this morning asked myself how am I feeling. I didn't feel bad but I didn't feel good, so I figured I'm feeling boredom. 

 

I allowed thoughts of contentment to arise, then thoughts of hopefulness, then thoughts of optimism. There that's it. 

 

It still didn't work. 

 

And also, I'm ALWAYS feeling frustration, pessimism, anger, etc. It's not like I'm hiding from it, should be obvious from how I'm talking. I'm talking like this because I'm pissed off, I keep putting my faith in this scale and it doesn't work.

Edited July 22, 2023 by Orb

[Orb]

I go down this same rabbit hole every day. I start the day off trying one of these fairy tale fantasy spiritual techniques, then it doesn't work or isn't sustainable and then i get so pissed I wanna strangle people.

[Mandy]

@OrbDid you start the day with 15 minutes of meditation? 

[Orb]

@Mandy so from what you're saying I'm not being honest about how I feel, so how the hell can I trust my own opinion on how I'm feeling if from your point of view I'm being dishonest? 

 

when i say im feeling a particular emotion how do i know that its true?

[Orb]

@Mandy no not this time I decided to start off by using the emotional scale, but I've been meditating first thing in the morning for 20 minutes every other morning for the last week. 

[Orb]

I think my spiritual practice is gonna be buying a punching bag and beating it up like a psycho. I gotta save money so I can buy one.

[Orb]

The kratom is kicking in yay 😊☺️