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I really want to try Holotropic breathwork workshop, but I can’t find ANY in my city.

 

There are some breathwork classes though, and I’ve been wandering what those are about. They seem a bit shady though, with some random 20-something instructor, charging $80-140 per class.  

 

I am looking for something that would teach me to breathe to enter the same kind of state I can enter on shrooms. 
 

Have you been able to find Holotripic breathwork sessions in your town? Where did you look for it? Eventbrite? Meetups? Where do I find it 😭

 

Also, I am really curious to find some kind of retreat. But it seems that North America really sucks when it comes to spiritual things. These things are crazy expensive and usually again.. with some random 20-something, 30-something guru..

 

I am interested in any kind of spiritual events really.. like going somewhere to listen to Eckhart Tolle.. 

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Are you in North America? I have never been to any formal retreat but have had some amazing experiences locally, even with local classes, reiki classes and nature/foraging workshops.  For breathing, I just watched some Wim Hoff youtube videos. I'm on the coast and the oceans are extremely cold here and I went swimming a few times which never occurred to me to do before and it was incredible and really opened up my world. What if everything you need is all right where you are? And free? Hope you find a great retreat. ❤️

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Careful with conceptualizing & believing in ‘states’ & then chasing ‘them’. That there are states assumes you are the knower of and feels discordant. Psychedelics aren’t an entering of a state but rather unveil via un-conceptualizing self. It’s being absolutely whole, fulfilled & satisfied as yourself, as you are that’s wanted, not getting, attaining, becoming or reaching some state or states somewhere else in a future. It’s like seeking & chasing a unicorn (concept). Notice the comparative thought to now (“this state”) and future / elsewhere (“that state”). Notice the latter does not exist, just the thought that it does. Inspect any beliefs as to how now, this, you, isn’t good enough. Notice the slippery un-fulfilling nature of unoticed comparative thought and how they are the suffering, the joy zappers. The discord of this might be being projected onto 20 something’s and American while it’s the underlying implication you need / aren’t enough as is. 

 

 

 

GPT on Holotropic breathwork:

1. Find a comfortable position and close your eyes.

2. Begin slow, deep breathing, focusing on inhaling and exhaling fully.

3. Imagine a holographic field surrounding you, representing your inner world.

4. Explore this holographic space, observing sensations, emotions, and thoughts.

5. Engage in conscious breathing, allowing the breath to guide your experience.

6. Visualize energy and light flowing through your body, releasing tension and blockages.

7. Embrace any insights, emotions, or healing that arises during the practice.

8. Gradually return to normal breathing, grounding yourself in the present moment.

 

 

 

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On 7/9/2023 at 8:07 AM, Mandy said:

Are you in North America? I have never been to any formal retreat but have had some amazing experiences locally, even with local classes, reiki classes and nature/foraging workshops

I am in Canada. I haven’t been able to find much stuff here. I found one Holotropic breathing session (after hours and hours of looking) but it’s $150 per session 🥲 and 1.5 hours away driving. Perhaps this is normal.

 

On 7/9/2023 at 8:07 AM, Mandy said:

What if everything you need is all right where you are? And free? Hope you find a great retreat. ❤️


I just feel too overwhelmed with all the resources available on the internet, I don’t know what’s good and what is not. So that’s why I thought to find a group session - to make sure I am doing it right.

 

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On 7/10/2023 at 12:04 PM, Phil said:

Careful with conceptualizing & believing in ‘states’ & then chasing ‘them’. That there are states assumes you are the knower of and feels discordant. Psychedelics aren’t an entering of a state but rather unveil via un-conceptualizing self. It’s being absolutely whole, fulfilled & satisfied as yourself, as you are that’s wanted, not getting, attaining, becoming or reaching some state or states somewhere else in a future. It’s like seeking & chasing a unicorn (concept). Notice the comparative thought to now (“this state”) and future / elsewhere (“that state”). Notice the latter does not exist, just the thought that it does. Inspect any beliefs as to how now, this, you, isn’t good enough. Notice the slippery un-fulfilling nature of unoticed comparative thought and how they are the suffering, the joy zappers. The discord of this might be being projected onto 20 something’s and American while it’s the underlying implication you need / aren’t enough as is. 


I think the state that I am chasing is just feeling easy in my chest. Not having constant worry and panic. Feeling how I used to feel when I was little. Is it bad to chase that “state”? Being kinder, letting go of things easily, more adventurous, able to speak my mind. Would I know when I reached that “state”?
 

Also, maybe finding a job I enjoy more, or creating one. Not having to worry about money. Also, finding a boyfriend/having a family 😅.

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12 hours ago, Rose said:


I think the state that I am chasing is just feeling easy in my chest.

 

Not having constant worry and panic. Feeling how I used to feel when I was little. Is it bad to chase that “state”? Being kinder, letting go of things easily, more adventurous, able to speak my mind. Would I know when I reached that “state”?
 

Also, maybe finding a job I enjoy more, or creating one. Not having to worry about money. Also, finding a boyfriend/having a family 😅.

One interpretation is that the mushrooms have an effect on you, which feeling wise is more desirable than you without mushrooms. 

Another interpretation is that the mushrooms brush certain thoughts away, and the seemingly better feeling isn’t actually coming from the substance…

but is you already, just without certain thoughts, and how those thoughts feel. 

Thoughts which seem to separate, isolate, carve out - a you. 

 

How do you know ‘feeling easy in my chest’ is some thing which is not you, such that there is a separate you which is looking for or could find, attain, or obtain - this other thing - ‘feeling easy in my chest’?

 

How do you know you have worry and panic? Where do you have them? If you have them, where, when & how did you ‘obtain’ them in the first place? Do you recall having put these things, worry and panic - in your chest?

 

Whatever age it is which is being referred to - did you know at that age, that there is or was worry & panic? Did you know what these were, but you didn’t have them… or did you simple not know - had not yet learned - that there are these things - worry & panic?

 

If being kinder, letting go of things more easily, being more adventurous & able to speak your mind are what’s wanted… how is a state going to be or do that?

Where & when (let alone what) is “that state”?

In another geographical location?

In a future?

Isn’t being kinder - being kinder?

Isn’t letting go of things more easily - letting go of things more easily?

Isn’t being more adventurous - being more adventurous?

Isn’t speaking your mind - speaking your mind?

 

Before it’s believed (the state) is there -  what about questioning if ‘there’ has ever actually been experienced?

If we were going to hang out & I texted you my address and you started heading this way, exactly when would you no longer be ‘here’, and be - ‘there’? 

If I called at any point in your traveling and asked where you are - would you ever answer “there”? 

If “there” simply just isn’t, in accordance with direct experience - then what exactly is “here”?

 

What if I was asking you, and you were helping me, leading me, to what’s wanted?

Would you talk about the worry & panic, and the letting go, the adventure, and the speaking your mind… or would you talk about getting to a state, which is somehow going to be or result in, what’s wanted?

 

Are you able to explain what the or that state is?

Are you able to explain to me how to get, “there”?

Have you yourself ever experienced - “there”?

Seems like you’d be misleading me. Sending me on a conceptual wild goose chase.

Why would you do that? 

What exactly do you know that I don’t? 

If there isn’t that, why would you suggest there is?

Why would you suggest such things, which seem to separate, isolate, carve out - a me & said state?

 

You once asked about wisdom coming from others. Rather than chasing a “state” “there”… is it not wiser to question the judgements, the conditions held upon This, now, as is? To inspect and therein, unfetter? By all means, experience & explore the mushrooms. For sure. But at the same time, in the bigger picture, what exactly are you averting from, in the believing in (better) states?

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